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What do you think of Homosexuals
September 21, 2006 - 02:11 PM
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Hey all,
am having a difficult time here, i attended a meeting and sat next to this gay guy, the meeting was convened to discuss issues such as that, although we all agreed that they had other fundatmenal human rights that need not be breached, everyone saw everthing wrong with being gay.
We can not hide from the fact that they(gays) exist in quantum numbers in our societies,
Now am doing a survey which i intend to dessiminate at our next meeting on the issue. please share your views with me.
I will appreciate.
David
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 25, 2006 - 11:17 AM
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I feel that everyone is entittled to there individuality. There is nothing wrong with same sex relationships. I feel that a person(s) will do what makes them feel happy weither it's right or wrong.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 28, 2006 - 10:34 AM
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Religion often teaches that procreation is the primary purpose for life; anything not doing it and being a part of it is to be seen as wrong.
At the same time, personally, I don't see anything wrong in it so long as its participants take responsibility and accept that there are still many out there who do not approve of them. Of course there will always be those who oppose something different in every country and at any time in history, but homosexuality is something that - just like a lot of other things - don't really effect or involve anyone but those who force or allow themselves to be involved with it.
I have a hard time explaining myself sometimes, but... as an example, People who protest against homosexuality are often those who dislike it so much that they do not know the first thing about it, or want to know about it. These people often only think of it as " Same Sex Lust," where as if they took time to look into it, they would find that homosexual couples often stay together longer than heterosexual couples. It has also been found that heterosexual couples have a much higher percent of a chance to divorce than homosexual couples in countries that allow homosexual marriage.
To me, that does not spell "Lust."
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 28, 2006 - 10:55 AM
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Yeah thank you guys for your response. If you see homosexuality as not wrong, then please respond to this question, who defines what is wrong?
thank you
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 28, 2006 - 11:46 AM
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Medal wrote:
who defines what is wrong?
thank you
Good question. There are a few powerful institutions that have traditionally defined homosexuality as "wrong".
Law - in many nations, homosexuals were or still are not allowed to be wed. I'm sure there are some places that make gay sex illegal. Usually it's gay male sex though.
Religion - there are some strong religious groups that denounce homosexuality. In N. America, it's primarily Catholicism. Can't speak for the other Christian denominations although I do believe Anglican churches are less stringent.
Science - perhaps most insiduous because the public often believes science to be completely objective and apolitical. Science has long been used to pathologize homosexuality and was even in the 3rd version of the DSM (manual to diagnose mental illness) although it was removed in the 4th.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 28, 2006 - 12:22 PM
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The way i see it, homosexuality seems to be against laws of nature, because males and females were biologically created to be life partners.
But i don't see why a person who has pure biological desire impulses towards the same sex, or even influenced since childhood, should be considered an outcast. Homosexuality is not a new issue. If you read the book "Scheherazade goes West" by fatima Mernissi, you'd be surprised by the fact that one of Haroun al rashid's sons was homosexual, and his mother treated his "illness" by dressing court women as men so that he would accept reproducing and proving himself to be worth of power.
However, i disagree with the fact that homosexuals fight for their right to adopt.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 30, 2006 - 03:20 PM
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HeavensRaining wrote:
However, i disagree with the fact that homosexuals fight for their right to adopt. .
I agree with that part. Personally I dont find it natural to have the same sex partner. Allah created male & female to be partners & reproduce an offspring.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
September 30, 2006 - 03:24 PM
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convivial wrote:
I have a hard time explaining myself sometimes, but... as an example, People who protest against homosexuality are often those who dislike it so much that they do not know the first thing about it, or want to know about it. These people often only think of it as " Same Sex Lust," where as if they took time to look into it, they would find that homosexual couples often stay together longer than heterosexual couples. It has also been found that heterosexual couples have a much higher percent of a chance to divorce than homosexual couples in countries that allow homosexual marriage.
To me, that does not spell "Lust."
This post was edited on: 2006-09-28 at 10:35 AM by: convivial
This is a sweeping statement about homosexuals having lasting relations than hetrosexual. Each case has different reasons and circumstances.
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Simply not true!
September 30, 2006 - 05:03 PM
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HeavensRaining wrote:
However, i disagree with the fact that homosexuals fight for their right to adopt. .
Sorry there is no polite way to say this, but your assumptions simply are not true.
Read this. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19006-2002Feb4
And This.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/justthefacts.html
The American Academy of Pediatricians believes having a gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered parent does not detrimentally effect children. In fact, even children who are homosexual only suffer detrimental effects when in environments that do not accept them. Unlike every piece of information I found saying it does harm children, the AAP and APA are real associations of real doctors, not a solitary crackpot with an official-looking website (NARTH) or a religious leader playing scientist (reverend quoted in article).
The problem is that every straight has some level of homophobia. Unfortunately, if you don't watch yoursef and check your sources very carefully, its easy for that repressed disgust to emerge and color the thinking of otherwise perfectly rational people. Its like arguing with someone about religion; preexisting biases always trump the best rational argument.
Oh, and there does seem to be some correlation between being assaulted by a homosexual pedophile and becoming a homosexual. However, pedophiles are screened out before any adoption can take place.
May there be an end to ignorance, someday, somehow.
This post was edited on: 2006-10-03 at 02:17 PM by: cupofteaforme (Moderator)
This post was edited on: 2006-10-04 at 11:33 AM by: esum (Moderator)
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 2, 2006 - 11:45 AM
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May there be an end to ignorance, someday, somehow.
i scanned through your articles, i guess you have a point. A gay couple CAN provide "tender and loving care". and i definitely think that a homosexual couple goes through the procedures every couple goes through, so anybody who is not qualified to adopt a kid will not be allowed to do so.
However, that still involves lots of problems. pediatrics did make a statement, but scientists change their minds every day, which is due to the fast paced progress we're going through.
imagine what will happen if a child who witnessed a man-woman parenting redux gets exposed to a homosexual couple as parents. they can't understand the difference between the relationships, especially when you try to explain that a a man and a woman can make a baby and two guys or two ladies can't. sure the fact can be memorized, but i think that for a five or six year old, it's very confusing.
we still can't deny that in every country in the world, even the states, homosexuals still have some problems in "fitting in"... and other problems pile up, such as puberty. a teenager needs both his mom and dad to understand the complex of relationships (whether if he's gay or not)... and so on....
it's not ignorance you're pointing out, i'm simply stating facts. if we were in plato's world, i would love to see everything working out!
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 4, 2006 - 10:35 AM
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people should be entitled to do what they will with their own persons, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and their own choices. they may well indeed find more emotional, spiritual connection in someone of the same sex and thus make a choice to be with someone of the same sex. that does not make it wrong in any way as far as I can see, they're not hurting anyone, and they're happy together then good on them.
In the end my basic response to this is.. who cares? people should be allowed to choose what they wish to do, if nobody is being hurt and theyre happy then i don't see a problem. to those who might find it *wrong*, all i have to say is deal with it. It's a choice for homosexuals to make, just like it's a choice for you to make whether or not you are a heterosexual.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 4, 2006 - 11:31 AM
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This is just a brief note to ask members to abide by forum guidelines and to note that judgmental comments that infringe on other's rights are not permitted and will be edited.
In Toronto, I find the population is generally very tolerant and the gay pride parade is one of the most financially successful events of the summer. However, I have worked in the village (gay area) and can tell you prejudice still exists, even in the big city. Particularly shocking to me was learning that the office of TO's local gay community magazine had received bomb threats! Despite being a magazine office, the staff also received desperate calls from people unable to cope with their marginalization, some who were considering suicide. Gay teenagers are 3 times more likely to commit suicide than their hetero counterparts. [1]
My sister did research this summer in lesbian adoption (in Ontario) and learned that the process is very difficult for gay women and frequently biased against them. She would hear heartbreaking stories of women who had tried to adopt for years and simply weren't sure if they were wasting their time on something that would never happen due to prejudice.
Finally, I would assert that:
1) Many hetero couples choose not to have children or are incapable of having children and there is nothing unnatural about this situation.
2) It has been well documented that animals in their natural environments will engage homosexual behaviour - from birds to octopi to giraffes to chimpanzees.
[1] stat from Child Development
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 4, 2006 - 12:19 PM
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Ancient India seems to be more tolerant of Gays and lesbians than Modern India.
actually more than the actual issue of homosexuality it is the things that are associated with being gay that creates a problem here.
since homosexuality is not the " norm " here ... gays and lesbians have to lead a double life here .... and being rejected by family and society they fall into the trap of anti social elements which again creates a bad image of the entire community.
this applies not just for gays but also for the Hijras in India ...
Social status and making a living
Most hijras live at the margins of society with very low status; the very word "hijra" is sometimes used in a derogatory manner. Few employment opportunities are available to hijras. Many get their income from performing at ceremonies, begging or prostitution — an occupation of eunuchs also recorded in premodern times. Violence against hijras, especially hijra sex workers, is often brutal, and occurs in public spaces, police stations, prisons, and their homes.[7] As with transgender people in most of the world, they face extreme discrimination in health, housing, education, employment, immigration, law and any bureaucracy that is unable to place them into male or female gender categories. One hijra reports waiting in the emergency room of a hospital for hours while medical staff debated whether to admit her to the men's or women's ward.
Hijras are often encountered on streets, trains, and other public places demanding money from young men. If refused, the hijra may attempt to embarrass the man into giving money, using obscene gestures, profane language, and even sexual advances. . .
[link="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)"]
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 5, 2006 - 07:27 AM
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Personally, I don't think it is right, mainly because of my traditions and my religion.
But then again,who am I to judge anyone else, we shouldn't judge people. none of us is perfect.
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Re: What do you think of Homosexuals
October 8, 2006 - 06:03 AM
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i personally do not believe it is right, my reasons in questions for this are:
1) would some please justify and explain the sexual act of homosexual couples?
2) who is mr and who is mrs in a gay marriage?..or mum or dad???
i am in no uncertain terms being bias to the person but the act...a human being is just that and remains no less because of his/her sexual orientation...but inlight of that i would like some to please help my understanding of homosexuality!
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