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-SB- Shobuz Bhai
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I forgive the POPE
September 17, 2006 - 08:57 PM
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I forgive POPE for his ignorance and what he said. It’s not his fault exactly also many Muslims (by name) are involved with this situation. Whatever POPE’s intention was I think he did what he wanted to do. But we all Muslim shouldn’t care of his comment cuz he means nothing for us. But yes in this month after 5 years of 911 when the facts are coming more clear that we didn’t do anything against humanity and trying to learn more about politics, peace and Mankind, when again we all religious people becoming friends the pope did what the world politics did before. The politicians hit the twin tower of World Trade centre and the Pope hit the invisible twin tower of Christ-Muslims the two tower. I don’t think the POPE is so ignorant to know what will be the reaction
Pope Benedict XVI knows better why he has quoted from a book to use the reported words of 14th-century Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II, that do not convey nice messages about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who has a following of more than 1.5 billion Muslims around the world. The Pope has an elaborate set-up to prepare his speeches. The latest one thus cannot be called an accident or a lapse.
Behind the games they are big heads of this world they are leaders however politically or spiritually because this is not the first time that religion is using as a world politics issue. But what we Muslims should do ? We are doing what the POPE wanted, does real Muslims creating violence’s? Am I did any violence? What I found some ignore Muslim peoples they even don’t know perfectly what POPE said but they are misguided by their religious leaders (leader like pope) and creating problems, they just know that POPE said something wrong about Islam and our Prophet. Yes it’s true that they got angry and very normal as I did also. But we should understand that for POPE or any other non Islamic people can say wrong. Even after the 911 truths they got more more joules about Islam or Muslims. Though Islam never said to do anything wrong nor even any other religion. But people just need a issue to make a wall in this world between Islam / Non-Islam.
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Re: I forgive the Pope, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 17, 2006 - 08:57 PM
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I am sorry POPE you can make violence by you comment in this world but there is no violence in my heart or my mind. I feel laugh cuz world is playing with ignore peoples.
It will be more better if you comment on MANKIND and for the peace.
Shobuz Bhai
This post was edited on: 2006-09-18 at 07:44 AM by: shobuz
It will be more better if you comment on MANKIND and for the peace.
But on the other side we should give the correct answer by all muslim scholers and prove the pope comment is wrong.
Ofcourse Muslims anger over popes speech is right but what the Muslim world is doing it is proving the popes comment.
Shobuz bhai
http://discussv5.takingitglobal.org/thread/16107
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 18, 2006 - 12:58 PM
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notice the sequence of events and the sequence of oue misunderstandings....
first when the event of Danemark happened the danish government felt sad bcoz of muslim's misunderstanding of the freedom of expression, now this speech after the memory of 9 11 and with the charged emotions of the whole islamic and chris. world muslims misunderstand the quoted speech of the leader of the large nation of the world...it seems that we misunderstand a lot of things..i wonder why!
there was no offens for isalm coz its not realted in anyway with what the pop said...we have to represent isalm as it is
the islamic orders in war are obvious to the one who wanna know about islam
we must not kill a woman, a child, an elder , we must not cut a tree or kill an animal, we must not kill anyone who doesnt fight us or started a fight or a war against us...those are some of them i'll post the rest later( INSHALLAH) if God will.
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 18, 2006 - 11:18 PM
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I really think it's better to just ignore the Pope's remarks..
Are his remarks ever going to make practicising Muslims question their faith? If no, then just forget them.
Sometimes even people of such stature tend to be ignorant.
Learn to ignore ignorance!
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 01:38 AM
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Hello Ajay,
You are right. If it were to me, I would completely ignore it.
However, there are over a billion Muslims and there is going to be an outrage in response to such remakrs. There is nothing anyone can do about it. The Pope knows it very well.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am afraid, this is not the matter of ignorance. I read the speech, it is really intended at insulting Islam. He message is subtle. The Pope implies that the verse "There is no compulsion in Relgion" was uttered by the Prophet, PBUH, when he was powerless and under threat. He says, "according to the experts, Muhammad said this when he was still powerless and under threat." That is a lie. The person who consults experts about the origins of this verse knows very well that it was revealed in Medina where the Prophet Muhammad, PBUH, was the leader of Muslims and very well protected.
The above is just an example.
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 08:52 AM
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Well, we should learn to forgive but I am not completely bought over by the ignorance bull****. These people know exactly what they are doing, and we as Muslims should not allow ourselves to be provoked by their seemingly ignorant stance.
What we need to continuously do is to pray hard to Allah to make them know the truth soon enough. You cannot expect the leaders of the world's failing religion to easily succumb to the rise of a fairly newer faith easily, do you?
Christianity is constantly in chrisis.
Like Allah (SWT) has said in his holy book, He has the strength and wisdom to protect his religion (Islam), what else do we need to worry about?
Allah is GREAT!
[edited disrespectful commentary and profanity - esum]
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 02:46 PM
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hi !
I live in Turkey and I'd like to report some situaitons in Turkey.
There were no demonsrations such as in the Middle East . But also the people are very angry because of the Pope's speech.
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the prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and some ministers blamed the Pope . You know that the Pope will come to Turkey in November.But this speech was so bad for two worlds : Muslims and the rest/non-muslıms .
This speech and the others are an examination for muslıms . Muslıms should be quiet , pls .
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 03:36 PM
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froot
"we must not kill a woman, a child, an elder , we must not cut a tree or kill an animal, we must not kill anyone who doesnt fight us or started a fight or a war against us...those are some of them i'll post the rest later( INSHALLAH) if God will. "
well unfortunately ppl look at Islam now as a religion of terrorism bcoz of some ppl's actions in the name of Islam ,hope they'll be able to see the true principles ,regulations ....etc of Islam in peace ,war ..etc .
Ajay
"Learn to ignore ignorance! "
really nice statement , I like it
there's a verse in the Qura'n saying :" And the true servants of God the Most Gracious, are those who talk modestly on the earth, and who when the ignorant address them,they say:"Peace""surah 25(Al Furqan)
I think that a man in the Pope's position won't say just anything he should be really carefull about the things he says ,another thing is that how many people follow the Pope ........ALOT these people are going to be affected with what the Pope says and probably they believe in the things he talks about and says
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 04:45 PM
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1. The Pope's remark aimed ignorant people who don't know about Islam History and Arabic Civilisation. It is a way to incite some ignorant people to be more and more affraid by muslims. It is like the picture of the bearbed muslim with a knife between the teeth.
2. Muslim community was very nice not to enumerate all the incredible stories of christian church. Christian Crusades for example...
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 19, 2006 - 10:26 PM
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This thread is being moved to Culture & Identity where it is more relevant.
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 20, 2006 - 05:02 PM
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wrote:
ahh no doubts his words cant change our thoughts n believes bt v need to take strict action against it.. or els the very nex day sum1 els is gona stand up n ll say sumthing crap abt our religon..
Muslims ruled for 800 years in Spain , but people are still non Muslim there.
Muslims ruled for a 1000 years in India , still 85 percent of the Indian population is non-Muslim. Do you think that 1000 years was a small time? If Islam was to be spread by sword in India , every single non-Muslim will be forced to convert to Islam or else killed. This is very clear that Islam don't allow any Muslim to force some one to convert to Islam. Becaue if some one dont accepts Islam by heart , he is not a Muslim at all. so it is useless to force any one to come to Islam
Muslim never ruled in Indonesia but still it is the country having largest Muslim population.
America is a country in which the growth rate of Islam is highest as compared to any other religion. Is Osama Bin Laden preaching Islam in America????? ?
if Pope has some dignity and courage , he should come to have a speech with Muslim scholars and prove his statements.
posted by sulail
http://discussv5.takingitglobal.org/thread/16107
Thanks Luke for your comment, but you know what the ANGER , it's actually fear. Muslims are sure in advance whatever the situation is whatever the truth is must they(Muslims) will be guilty.
Muslims got Angry for 3 reasons
1.) They know they will be guilty.
2.) They don't know whats going on but they know they are not doing anything wrong.
3.) Soft corner PLUS no religios practice.
ie. They know the opposite are telling wrong but they don't have the answer for less religious practice.
So the situation is that Muslims don't follow Islam but they love Islam. And as because we are not practicing Islam so we want to prove ourselves that we are ready to save out ISLAM anyway.
Thus the problems are coming like that, Muslims can save Islam by prcticing proper Islam in Quraanic way.
Shobuz Bhai
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 20, 2006 - 05:03 PM
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All the situations which were happened in the past and still going on are nothing but the game with the right of man, arising politics, dividing nations, atlas which is resulted from the sophisticated feelings about religion.
Politics, religion, Atlas, human rights, dividation of mankind/nations have terned the world into a burning hell from where it may be critical to get back but as a human being we should not live in fale hood neglecting the truth which will affect our future nations and the nations will be like a rudderles boat who have no aims actually at all.
Today, we the muslims are not related with the object or view of true Islam. Moreover, our knowledge about Islam are completely based on textbooks because the reflection of Islam in our practical lives is very little which is not the sign of true Iman.
In the truest sense, the muslims who are devoid of Iman is huge in number in the world, "Islam is a religion of Peace and the allowance of peace can only be known though Islam."
Islam means practicing of proper knowledge, without knowledge Islam is valueless / incomplete.
Today, the true devoted muslim nations are criticized and neglected for the deviated muslims who have no accurate knowledge .
We must would not be the puppet in the hands of those politicians who are playing their games inguise of religion it we follow and practical lives rather our disciplined life will answer all those unwelcommed questions.
These are something about the faults of the followers of Islam but what is the functions of the followers of the other religions today ?
Where Religion is not above humanity then how it is passible that other things like politics, dividation of nations, disorders will be above religion?
Religion is not invented by a particular person So no religion or any nation shoudn't be considered by the view of that perticular person. Where politics issued by religion and makes the atmosphere restless there politics should be claimed for the situation not the religion.
Shobuz Bhai
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Re: POPE i forgive you!!, Hey dear Muslim friends...
September 21, 2006 - 03:02 PM
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One thing our muslim brothers should know is that, they should try not to prove the Pope right in his supposedly wrong statement.
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Re: I forgive the POPE
October 8, 2006 - 07:59 PM
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I'm catholic myself, and what the Pope said really shocked me, because I can't relate what he said to what we are suppose to practice: love for everyone.
I'm very glad that so many of you are able to look pass this and forgive him, at a time like this when religious differences seem to cause so much conflict in the world.
thank you all for your patience and understanding.
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Re: I forgive the POPE
October 20, 2006 - 06:57 AM
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I have to say that the remarks made by Pope Benedict made me somewhat angry at first. Although I am an atheist it is obvious the importance of religion in our world. For some countries it is what defines the legal and justice systems. Also, when so many people from all faiths around the world are working so hard to promote inter-faith dialogue and understanding between religions to dispel ignorance and promote harmony it upsets me tht such a powerful and important figurewould be able to so easily cut away so much hard work.
Although I now many people from all religions will be able to say that what he said was wrong and I can move on, but many others can't and sometimes you really can't blame them for becoming upset at comments that insult something that can make up so much of someone's identity.
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