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TIGAid for the Poor
February 24, 2003 - 10:19 AM
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I am referring to the recent posts on poverty: "Developing Countries trying to “modernize”" (cheets – Canada); "Is Poverty still relative in Africa?" (walesalami – Nigeria) and "Helping to poor women" (shewd – Nepal). All these posts tell us one thing - POVERTY IS HERE - PLEASE ADDRESS IT!
Let me make an earnest yet ambitious request, I’d appreciate your contributions – any response or suggestion will do.
We have been talking a lot – how about we as young people start doing what we can – ACT! We're good in talking...
Where there’s a will – there’s away! How, that we as young people all over the world contribute towards poverty alleviation? Apart from talking (alone), we’re good in talking… but what can we do? I’d like us to start a fund – the ins and outs (or finer details) we can discuss as suggestions come through. I’d like us to carry research and identify areas that are in urgent need of assistance. The only difference between, say, TIGAid and AusAid or UNFP/UNDP will be that TIGAid will be looking at capacity-building and empowerment.
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The aim would be to alleviate poverty, capacity-building and empowering concerned communities with skills needed to better their lives and ensuring organic growth. Each project (in the name of organic growth) will be expected to stand on its own over a period of time and when possible breed more and more projects.
So while poverty gets addressed, these poor people will be taught skills that will be capacitating – did I hear a little voice saying “… teach a man how to fish”?
FUNDING
At the beginning we the young people of the world, in TIG and elsewhere, can start making contributions to the fund. I suggest we contribute $1 per quarter or $4 a year (or more or less). I know some countries are extremely poor (Zambia) than others and of course other countries (like Canada, G7 member) are much wealthier, so I guess this could be a starting point of discussion (and research).
None of these words is cast in stone, all I need is feedback and thus we can see if at all this is taken further and eventually we can make it happen.
What I’d like to see henceforth? People discussing this and other relevant issues in their meetings. I know TIG is (hoping to be) getting together in Vancouver for instance, so maybe this could be a better start.
Please post a reply...
-shoks
ps: Growing up in a poverty-stricken environment is the worst punishment I've ever come across. Poverty is real, it's pain, very painful and destructing.
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TIGAid Fund Against Poverty
February 28, 2003 - 08:49 AM
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Maybe we can use this word "TIGAid Fund Against Poverty" maybe it sounds more relevant and dignified then "TIGAid for the Poor" .but what I wanna say is this that this idea is quite tight I'm game.Please include me when you make preparations. The TIG managers or administratos can they coordinate this or country TIG branches must do their own thing. but if thet's the case how?
I think $1 per quarter is maybe very big for other people. If you notice the unemployment rate is high in our country therefore you dont expect some people to contribute. what type of skills can be taught.Im thinking about computer literacy and entrepreneul skills.all in all i'm game.
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"TIGAid Fund Against Poverty"?
March 3, 2003 - 03:44 AM
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I think I like this name - "TIGAid Fund Against Poverty" - thanks for coming on board! Can we have more suggestions please. Is there a way the moderators can facilitate the idea... right thru until implementation (if successful) or resolution/exhaustion of this issue.
In departure, I'll relate a short factual story, hope it helps you (start to) ponder:
About 800 million people earn on average $1 a day in Sub-Saharan Africa (you are not surprised, are you?). In Europe, evry cow receives $2 subsidy a day. In short, European cows are richer than Afican people.
-source: Digby Jones of the Confederation of British Industry. ...Sad isn't it?
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Afican people?
March 6, 2003 - 10:58 AM
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"Afican people?"
Shoks! You have my vote. Fund against poverty is in order.
Things to bear in mind, TIG and its members is not a charity organization. There are certain organizations mandated or readily operating for charity some of them are TIG related. Raising this idea with them will enjoy a level of enthusiastic support. True, the more the merrier poverty in the Third World has reached a monumentally corrupt stage this calls for anyone within the reading radius to read on and act decisively.
The dreadful vicious circle of famine, wars and drought and sometimes erratic rains (floods) have all added up to the Third World's, especially Africa's, woes. IMF has shown no love to "well-behaved Africa".
Across our oceans, Argentina and Brazil AND Russia and Turkey (need I go on?) have been flouting IMF and economic principles. Economically 6% growth rates for a suffering economy as Turkey & Argentina is unsustainable, IMF knows well, you too if you do Economics I or II. "Posting" impossible rates victimised their economies but Daddy IMF was there to nurse the "self-injured" victims. Then South Africa "well-behaved Africa" follows IMF and sticks to IMF and economic principles to the . (dot) all it gets is a kick in the zip!!!
Please realize that TIG tribe members have other vital issues than poverty. It's too hard imagining one living below $1,000 (Third World) GDP per capita if yours were above $20,000 (First World). These pressing issues don't include poverty or matters of survival is it why European cows are richer than "Afican" people? You are barking at the wrong tree but good luck.
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Re: TIGAid for the Poor
March 7, 2003 - 06:23 AM
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Thanks ever so much for all the input. Now how about the moderators do something to co-ordinate this at all. If there is a feeling that poverty is not in the Top 10 priority for TIG then that's fine, I'll simply give this platform a miss but of course I would appreciate more positive involvement.
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Re: TIGAid for the Poor
March 7, 2003 - 06:57 AM
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hey all,
I'm working with Nick Moraitis with "youthAID International" and TIG is seeing how they would be able to help. I'll post an update about that soon. But TIG should consider
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Re: TIGAid for the Poor
March 10, 2003 - 06:15 AM
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Thanks so much for this - will check an update on that. In the meantime though may we have more input and please you need not send me a TIG messenger only, rather post your opinion up here. I'm not hearing the moderators. Hello?
Thanks.
-shoks
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TIGAid for the Poor.
March 10, 2003 - 08:44 AM
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I think this is the best information I have come across. You have my blessing on this subject, and therefore we should work hard to make it a reality.
We the youth knows our problems, and our problems could not be solved by organizations who does not understand us. TIG understand the young people's problems because it is for the youth.
Let all members of of TIG pull together and make this a reality. Nobody know our problems better than us.
George
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Holiday in July
March 10, 2003 - 09:12 AM
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Dear All,
I would like to send out this appeal to all members to support Africamix-Kenya to hold an event, dubbed "Holiday in July". The event was first held last year in September to raise awareness on child abuse and neglect in our society and at the same time raise funds to organization supporting children who are abused. We use arts and music to raise awareness and funds for such purpose.
It is against this background that I am requesting for assistance on behalf of Africamix-Kenya for the event to take place. Any assistance be it be from individuals or organizations and whichever amount will be highly appreciated.
For more information on Africamix, visit: www.africamix.org
I can also be reached through my email address: geogias@yahoo.com.
Thank you all and God bless.
George
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Re: TIGAid for the Poor
March 11, 2003 - 03:26 AM
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Thank you so much for all these encouraging words to you George and everyone who's written on this subject - quite encouraging.
Something I probably took for granted was "TIG understand the young people's problems because it is for the youth", I love this precise fact. Now to the moderators, anyway you can co-ordinate this -- and to the rest of TIG members please keep on posting your views. The most important part is getting started - we can talk and we can do, lets do it! Thank you so much.
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TIGAid
March 13, 2003 - 10:33 AM
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I'm just as disappointed, TIG moderators have somehow stayed quiet on this. I believe I'm now sounding like some broken record (or a CD to those born in the 90s;-/) -- once again I'd like to say thanks a lot to Lewis (BoNo_Fan) for speaking... TIGAid, I think that sounds nicer - it's short & not restrictive, so we can just have TIGAid, just TIGAid. But what do moderators and others out there think?
-shoks
ps: I will put something up on sustainability - organic growth, and all that goes with it if needs be.
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Re: TIGAid for the Poor
March 14, 2003 - 12:42 PM
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"TIGAid Fund Against Poverty" sounds good. I also think that we should move first to see what we us members could do to make this thing work out. Nobody will help us if we can not start it ourselves. You can only be supported if you have something to show that you are trying, and you need just a little push.
My concern is also if there is somebody to moderate these discussions. It will give members directions.
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moderators -- moderators
March 19, 2003 - 10:38 AM
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I have just noticed that “moderators” (or other form/s of this word) has been mentioned almost 10 times. Nick, Mike etc are you here? Can you hear us? Its been more than 20 days since this thread was started. In fact Predattack has just informed me that there isnt anyone who's volunteered to moderate "Poverty".
Fine, whatever the name is, “TIGAid” as suggested by Lewis and I or “TIGAid Fund Against Poverty” as suggested by Chapman, George and I. What we need to find out is if our members are interested. Don’t you get bored leading a discussion/argument you have no control over? you can control the outcome of this! …Are poverty and this idea/thread considered small-time topic and maybe irrelevant topic? Let me know your thoughts – why bother you any further?
To those willing to assist, please keep up the good spirit – poverty will not disappear on its own. We have spoken a lot about greedy capitalists and governments and greedy politicians – this is your turn to make the world a better place, lend a hand to the fund. ACT!
In fact I been thinking that maybe WHEN the fund does take off, maybe some of the countries that need upliftment projects urgently are Nepal, Sierra Leone and Zambia. Hang on… I would have liked to suggest it starts in SA - or anywhere else if that country is poor but then I think there should be someone passionate and willing to do the job -– set-up, coordination, facilitation etc please bear in mind the point on organic growth, sustainability etc. (funding will be only for a while, followed by own sustainability and then project become a funder (organic growth) – etc).
In conclusion “My concern is also if there is somebody to moderate these discussions. It will give members directions.” (-George) Someone please make a plan...
-shoks
the prince of sadc
ps: just imagine 14,000 TIG members x 4 quarters at $1 per quarter... $56,000 minus 50% (members without money/desire to contribute) = $28,000 per year. Ahhh - R250,000? Imagine the projects, and the employment opportunities!
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TIGAid for the Poor.
March 24, 2003 - 09:45 AM
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Dear All,
I think we should be serious and think seriously as young people if we just want to be heard talking for the sake of it. If all the TIG members could come in and we pull our resources, it doesn't matter whether it is less than one dollar, we shall be able to accomplish alot. I know many of the TIG members from the developing countries, mainly from Africa will find it difficult to raise that amount. But whatever one can come up with will go along way in proving employment through projects than just talking. 14,000 memebers are many and could help develop this fund to help maily youth based organizations.
Over to you moderator and TIG Members. What do you think!!!
geogias
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Arrested Development
March 25, 2003 - 10:51 AM
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I mean seriously, it's about time we the young people take this seriously. It's about time we stopped blaming politicians for greed and selfishness (yes they are selfish) and started doing something ourselves for us -- is that too hard to ask for.
George it's true, there are so many Africans I know of who'l find $1 unaffordable. This is in line with $1-a-day Africans live on I've written about elsewhere (same thread). Let me commit first: I pledge minimum $4-a-year for 10 years towards the fund to alleviate poverty by creating jobs and empowerment projects. I pledge a business plan (sustainable and capacity-building computerate project) towards founding of the fund's project/s.
Time to ACT is NOW! Bush & Co are busy pursuing their "righting" stunt in Asia! What about you? Ignoring poverty is not the answer... "Over to you moderator and TIG (14,000) Members. What do you think!!!" (-geogias)
Those following hip-hop or similar culture know Arrested Development "Here have a dollar... in fact no brother man have two... Two dollars mean a snack to me but it means a big deal to you." is that too hard to understand?
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