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Anu maheshwari
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Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
August 27, 2006 - 01:36 PM
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Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes
If you were worried about the behaviour of a fellow passenger would you refuse to fly?
Passengers on a Monarch Airlines plane flying from the south of Spain to Manchester, in the UK, refused to get on board because they thought two of its passengers might be terrorists.
The two men were removed from the plane and questioned before being cleared and allowed to return to Manchester on a later flight. In a statement Monarch airlines said, "the Captain was concerned about the security surrounding the two gentlemen and the decision was taken to remove them from the flight for further security checks."
Would you have done the same as the passengers on this flight? Were their actions racist or just caution? Will incidents like this stop you from flying? Have you been treated in a similar way whilst travelling on public transport
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
August 28, 2006 - 11:43 AM
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I think these actions indicate racist mentality. Before boarding all passengers must have cleared all security scans ...... still some people were humiliated. such incidences should be taken seriously with proper action against racist people.
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
August 29, 2006 - 03:35 AM
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i agree with jamal. safety is a concern for all. all checks should happen for evrybody. if soembody has cleared all the cheks, then it is unfair for us to act on our assumpations and judgements as if what we think is always right!
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 2, 2006 - 12:17 PM
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I do not believe it was necessarily racist, actually. They were acting on past experience and for the safety of themselves and others. It would be better to have the men escorted off of the aircraft, rather than let them remain and possibly be involved with some sort of terrorist operation.
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 2, 2006 - 02:41 PM
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Shweta-sj wrote:
i agree with jamal. safety is a concern for all. all checks should happen for evrybody. if soembody has cleared all the cheks, then it is unfair for us to act on our assumpations and judgements as if what we think is always right!
Yes ,
The only thing is that security measures should be applicable to each and all without any discrimination ...
and the passengers should also keep in mind the situation and behave accordingly and not draw attention and face consequences later like those twelve indians on the dutch flight who were arrested because of their suspicious behaviour....they were just bored and were playing with their mobiles and talkin to each other to kill time !!!
sitting still for nine hours straight on a flight is not an easy job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people cant even go to sleep !
Must be careful from now onwards  
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 6, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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i think Jamal is right...
flying for arabs and muslims is a mochary and a out in the open RACISIM.
i mean now every western person is paranioid everytime he or she sees anyone with dark skin or a beared or any link 2 being an arab or muslim...they even search them more and treat them differently...a friend of mine returned to the usa where she lives and she' a muslim and wears the vail (which became like a bombing hazard right now)and she was treated really badly on the check points and when getting in or off the aeorplane....its unfair.
and whats worse if in an arabic airport someone falsly suspected sth. bad about an american for ex. and asked for the pilot to question him and turned 2 b wrong...im sure it will be head line news and maybe file a law suit over it.
just simply UNFAIR.
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 6, 2006 - 09:59 PM
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"...and whats worse if in an arabic airport someone falsly suspected sth. bad about an american for ex. and asked for the pilot to question him and turned 2 b wrong...im sure it will be head line news and maybe file a law suit over it..."
Don't you think that comment is racist as well?
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 6, 2006 - 11:27 PM
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I read a news story sometime last week about how a Jewish man was pulled of an Air Canada flight simply because he was praying. The swaying back and forth motion and the veil over his head while he prayed freaked out some passengers and instead of explaining to those passengers that this is normal behaviour the flight attendant took the side of the passengers and basically took away his right to prayer.
This is a case where passengers had the ability to kick a man off a flight under terribly wrong circumstances. I think it should be mandatory that all flight attendats be given lessons in cultural sensitivity so they'll stop backing the ignorant passengers and start teaching tolerance and acceptance. In no way should people have the right to say who does and does not get to be on a flight simply because of looks or religious difference. If the person has cleared security, then people must place their faith in security and accept that the person has just as much a right to be on that airplane as anyone not wearing a veil/turban/beard/hidjab (sorry if I spealt that wrong.).
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 8, 2006 - 10:54 AM
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hperquin wrote:
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If the person has cleared security, then people must place their faith in security and accept that the person has just as much a right to be on that airplane as anyone not wearing a veil/turban/beard/hidjab (sorry if I spealt that wrong.).
the terrorists on the planes which crashed on 9/11 had also cleared the security check ....
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 8, 2006 - 10:23 PM
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Yes, it's true that the people reported as being responsible for 9/11 had cleared security. As I'm sure everyone knows there have been massive changes to security since then. I'm not saying it is perfect, I'm sure someday people will get through again. Irregardless, you have to place your faith in the system and take your chances. These institutions are in place to protect us and we basically have to place our faith in them. If we don't, then we walk around paranoid of everyone all the time and that is no way to live. I guess the way I see it is that it is security's job to be paranoid and if in the end all the security fails and someone gets through and another plane goes down then it was just "their time to go" for the people who die and nobody can do anything to change that. It's so easy to place the blame for a tragedy on the faulty security system. It's much more difficult to recognize that the blame maybe should be placed on those who foster prejudice and paranoia in our society which leads to oppression of those who are different and therefore feared by the majority. People who are constantly targeted and picked on and have no fair representation usually end up having to resort to violence as a way to get their voice heard in this world. Let's put the blame where it belongs, which is on all of us who target the differences in others.
People should have a little faith in the system. Don't they always say that the true victory of terrorrism is making people live their lives in fear of everything? To me the incidences that have been discussed in this thread just go to show that terrorrism is winning major victories even without the use of violence just by making everyone paranoid of everyone else who is not like them.
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 17, 2006 - 11:06 PM
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You guys do realize that statistically you are more likely to die at the road in front of your house in a car rather than from terrorists hijacking a plane, right?
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 18, 2006 - 11:14 AM
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ChibiMelody wrote:
You guys do realize that statistically you are more likely to die at the road in front of your house in a car rather than from terrorists hijacking a plane, right?
In the United States atleast that seems to be the case ;
http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html
But just look at the scale of tragedy in Iraq , 9/11, Mumbai Blasts , London Blasts ,Lebanon ,etc ...dont you think terrorism is somthing that needs to be tackled from within .
terrorism thrives on ignorance , poverty , unemployent , injustice .... if all of do our part in educating our fellow citizens about tolerance and understanding and urge our govt to discard discriminatory policies maybe we can ( to a certain extent ) curb this menace !
It is not just about the death , it is about the hatred that each act of terror fans !
We need to get over this paranoia !!!
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
September 30, 2006 - 05:18 PM
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Its ridiculious to suspect somebody just because his colour, language or race is different. Security checks are getting more strict by the day which, I think, is enough. Ok in 9/11 attacks they passed the security check but it wasnt as strict as it is now. 
Its like the world is going backwards like when blacks were discriminated and asked to sit at the back of the bus if not to leave.
Alright people maybe scared but some feed on their fear and use their power & authority to get what they want or be racist.
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
October 4, 2006 - 10:59 AM
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i guess one response is
"better safe then sorry"
but i agree, one would hope that after they had cleared all the security checks which have been improved significantly with air marshals etc. that one would be able to feel confident about having a safe flight without being disrupted like that. if ur reli so concerned about a passenger being a terrorist then maybe you should get off the flight urself.
ultimately the answer is no.
ps. rightreacher.. im from a western country, and i couldnt care less wat the colour of someone's skin is. ive met heaps of people from many different countries, and ive made plenty of friends among all of them. get a grip. we're all the same, human beings and part of mankind. this constant civil war as far as im concerned between brothers and sisters of mankind gets ever so repetitive, but we're getting better =P hopefully before our generation dies we'll be able to move on from this pointless civil war.
wishing you all the best, take care
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Re: Should passengers have a say on who flies on planes?
October 4, 2006 - 01:00 PM
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well take the case of the Turkish flight "hijack" ...its impossible for the security agencies to have a fool proof way to screen passengers.....hence is not the right to say that once the security check has been conducted we should throw caution to the wind
ultimately i suppose it depends on the situation one is in.. prejudice is always going to be there...but it would be better if people exercise caution and show sensitivity in these matters....the golden rule ..
" always put yourself in the other persons shoes and then think whether your decision is the right one or not"
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think before you leap
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