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Luke Lieberman
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Playing for peace
July 30, 2006 - 12:50 PM
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In the midst of all this anger and conflict - I saw this article about Israeli and Plaestinian kids playing basketball together and it gave me a little hope.
I was wondering what other ideas people had about how to create constructive opportunities for Jews and Arabs to learn to live together.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=playingforpeace
"You'd never expect it to be like this:
Pini dribbles the basketball through his legs in a dimly lit high school gym in Shemesh. His defender stumbles, literally faked out of his yarmulke. As Pini penetrates to the basket, the defense collapses. Pini spins and finds Khaled with a perfect pass on the baseline.
Khaled rises from the court. His shot glides off his hand and through a crooked, netless rim. His arm above his head as he falls away, he turns and smiles. As he jogs back down the court, Pini raises his hand. With a little hop, Khaled jumps up and smacks it.
Two worlds collide, but there is no blood or charred soil. Glass and body parts aren't littered throughout the scene — just 50 Israelis and Palestinians cheering in the stands, playing on the court, coaching on the sidelines.
Trying to get along."
As I am seeing all the hatred both in the world and on these boards -
and I see discussions of teaching hatred to children -
it makes me think there are better things to teach our children -
to work, play, live together - we need more programs like this one.
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Re: Playing for peace
July 30, 2006 - 01:18 PM
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Yes Luke,
A little bit of goodwill is all that is needed here to bring both the sides together .
people are not unreasonable ! they can see reason if the argument is presented in the best manner.
And sports in one thing which unites more than the "United" Nations.
Similar confidence building activities should be undertaken by various youth organisations.
YOUTH are the future...It is all in there hands....in the hands of Palestinian, Nagyelali, Gosha ...they hold the key to the future !
Peace,
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Re: Playing for peace
July 30, 2006 - 01:41 PM
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That would be quite difficult but not impossible.
People have lost faith in each other & in the peace process. It'll take a long time & a great effort to regain the faith again.
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Re: Playing for peace
July 30, 2006 - 03:45 PM
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Romaica wrote:
That would be quite difficult but not impossible.
People have lost faith in each other & in the peace process. It'll take a long time & a great effort to regain the faith again.
thats true...but this procces is more than required - it is crucial to all the region..
some time it will come...God knows what can start from a basketball game...
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Re: Playing for peace
July 31, 2006 - 11:42 AM
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just a will to try !
can make a big difference !!!!
during the last week or so , so much hatred has been spewed on some of the threads ...
what was achieved there?
More hatred !
just a will to try ! It all starts from the mind ....if only you want to ...
A hand of friendship , of understanding ....just a beginning ...
That is all what is needed here !
so many people here justified the war that is happening !!! well i agree with Cicero when he says ;
"I prefer the most unfair peace to the most righteous war."
also with Ab Lincoln;
"The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."
and with Khan Abdul Khan Gaffar;
"The Holy Prophet Mohammed came into this world and taught us: 'That man is a Muslim who never hurts anyone by word or deed, but who works for the benefit and happiness of God's creatures. Belief in God is to love one's fellow men.'"
Last but not the least I look towards Gandhi who preached and practiced the most arduous of all tasks on this Earth - non-violence;
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." -- Mohandas K. Gandhi
Peace PLEeeeease !!!!
Anu
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Re: Playing for peace
July 31, 2006 - 02:09 PM
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Wow..it’s been a while since I last been here. TIG has changed quite a bit, is nice. How are my old friends doing?? Hope all is well.
Yes, back to topic, thanx for the link Luke. I am feeling really good after reading the article. Even though I don;t like the whole part where "
Khaled, 14, is supposed to be kneeling .............where 40 virgin brides await." It is way ignorant but thats another discussion.
Anyway, it is such a relief/liberation and a bright light to know of relatively older people (high schoolers) getting along in one of the most war torn country playing such a competitive sport. With this I am assuming that the bainwashing of younger generations opposing the other sides is slowing down or at least decreasing.
I do believe peace is possible between Israelis and Palestinians (if it is truly wanted). Incase anyone forgot, there was a time long ago when Muslims, Jews and Christians all lived together in harmony. Hatred is living on because people don’t want it. Possibly due to greed, pride and ignorance mostly. But in any case, very pleased to see a very big step come about and hope more growth in the near future. *
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Re: Playing for peace
July 31, 2006 - 02:14 PM
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gosha86 wrote:
Romaica wrote:
That would be quite difficult but not impossible.
People have lost faith in each other & in the peace process. It'll take a long time & a great effort to regain the faith again.
thats true...but this procces is more than required - it is crucial to all the region..
some time it will come...God knows what can start from a basketball game...
Well lets just pray there will be more to ride on than just Basketball Games. Some people take sports WAY too seriousely.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 1, 2006 - 06:05 AM
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anuriandima84 wrote:
Yes Luke,
A little bit of goodwill is all that is needed here to bring both the sides together .
people are not unreasonable ! they can see reason if the argument is presented in the best manner.
And sports in one thing which unites more than the "United" Nations.
Similar confidence building activities should be undertaken by various youth organisations.
YOUTH are the future...It is all in there hands....in the hands of Palestinian, Nagyelali, Gosha ...they hold the key to the future !
Peace,
Anu
It is in the hands of the youth indeed. Judging from the current event and the indiscriminate bombing that killed hundreds of innocent children and their families, one wonders if the children are going to easily forget about this or "get along" with the ones who killed their families or leveled their villages to the ground.
I hear people on these threads complaining about "teaching hatred to children" while forgetting or simply ignoring the cause of that growing hatred as if it never exists.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 1, 2006 - 08:34 AM
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Hi everybody- This is my first post, yippee!  (and take it easy on me!  )
Luke- I just wanted to point out some other organizations (of which there are many) that are doing similar type projects.
Right To Play- www.righttoplay.ca (I think...but you can google it) has a twinned kindergarten program for Israeli and Palestinian children.
Seeds of Peace- runs summer camps and other programs for Israeli and Arab youth as well as youth from other areas of conflict.
In Canada there are a couple summer programmes for Palestinian and Israeli youth, for example Peace It Together www.creativepeacenetworks.ca (again, you can google that for the exact address) that has summer camps based on dialogue, sport and creative expression.
There are many, many programs out there however they are not all as good as they may sound. Many push their own agendas, which causes a loss of trust from participants when the programs are seen to be biased. Therefore, they are not all readily accepted by everyone, and people can be extremely suspicious and apprehensive about these types of programmes. However I think that there is real value in well-run programs like this.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 1, 2006 - 11:39 AM
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Palestinian wrote:<
It is in the hands of the youth indeed. Judging from the current event and the indiscriminate bombing that killed hundreds of innocent children and their families, one wonders if the children are going to easily forget about this or "get along" with the ones who killed their families or leveled their villages to the ground.
I hear people on these threads complaining about "teaching hatred to children" while forgetting or simply ignoring the cause of that growing hatred as if it never exists.
well my friend i know it is very difficult to forget such things.
But it is same suffering that should make them determined to not let their children suffer the same fate .
honestly ask yourself whether you want the future generation to suffer the same plight?
If the answer is no then what are you going to do to make the future better ?
Think about it ...
Peace,
Anu
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Re: Playing for peace
August 1, 2006 - 04:26 PM
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Palestinian - I am certain the Israeli children sitting in bomb shelters right now or who witness suicide bombings - or watch footage of men in masks holding machine guns and wearing suicide belts talking about another genocide of the Jews -
these kids might have some trouble putting aside their mistrust as well - but it must be done.
let me ask you a more fundamental question - do you want Palestinian and Israeli children to live in peace with one another?
And another - doesn't Islam teach forgiveness and tolerance?
Euridice - welcome to TIG, thanks for bringing up some of the other programs - I know about seeds of peace, it is a good program.
Children who learn to play together at a young age are often able to move beyond the prejudices of their parents.
I think it would also be helpful for some inter-faith dialogue between Jews, Christians and Muslim religious leaders. I think it should be stressed what these religions have in common (which is quite alot actually considering all three faiths are branches of the same tree)
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Re: Playing for peace
August 2, 2006 - 02:59 AM
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luke wrote:
Palestinian - I am certain the Israeli children sitting in bomb shelters right now or who witness suicide bombings - or watch footage of men in masks holding machine guns and wearing suicide belts talking about another genocide of the Jews -
these kids might have some trouble putting aside their mistrust as well - but it must be done.
let me ask you a more fundamental question - do you want Palestinian and Israeli children to live in peace with one another?
And another - doesn't Islam teach forgiveness and tolerance?
Euridice - welcome to TIG, thanks for bringing up some of the other programs - I know about seeds of peace, it is a good program.
Children who learn to play together at a young age are often able to move beyond the prejudices of their parents.
I think it would also be helpful for some inter-faith dialogue between Jews, Christians and Muslim religious leaders. I think it should be stressed what these religions have in common (which is quite alot actually considering all three faiths are branches of the same tree)
Islam teaches tolerance and forgiveness and it also teaches that we have the moral and religious right to fight against the aggressors.
I want indeed to see people living in peace but it needs to be a peace that is based on justice, freedom, respect and human dignity. Throught the over 55 years of Israeli occupation of Palestine, Palestinians have been living under brutal occupation that recognizes only force as the only and only mean to achieve objectives. That itself leaves no room for peaceful co-existence of any kind. between adults or even children. When I saw the images of children corpses and the wreckage in Qana's massacre, I wondered how on Earth a child or any human being would forget about such brutality???!!!...a brutality that kills any innocense in their lives..a brutality that treats them like beasts not worthy to be humans!.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 2, 2006 - 03:13 AM
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anuriandima84 wrote:
Palestinian wrote:<
It is in the hands of the youth indeed. Judging from the current event and the indiscriminate bombing that killed hundreds of innocent children and their families, one wonders if the children are going to easily forget about this or "get along" with the ones who killed their families or leveled their villages to the ground.
I hear people on these threads complaining about "teaching hatred to children" while forgetting or simply ignoring the cause of that growing hatred as if it never exists.
well my friend i know it is very difficult to forget such things.
But it is same suffering that should make them determined to not let their children suffer the same fate .
honestly ask yourself whether you want the future generation to suffer the same plight?
If the answer is no then what are you going to do to make the future better ?
Think about it ...
Peace,
Anu
It is our fate that our land was occupied by the zionists thanks to the help of Great Britain and we have to deal with this problem accordingly. This is not a problem that occured just yesterday. It is a very long struggle that is full of blood and sufferings. Let us not forget that the pilots who massacred 37 children in Qana were "innocent children" one day...and rest assured that today's innocent children in "Israel" will be tomorrow's .......you can fill the blank!
There is no solution to this crisis and rest assured it will never be resolved until the rights of occupied are fully recognized.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 2, 2006 - 05:24 AM
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You didn't answer my question - do you want to see Israeli and Palestinian people living together in peace?
It is a simple question.
Let me ask another - you lament the deaths of the Lebanese - and we all should - and yet you want to see MORE war with Israel?
Do you really think that it is wise? Do you not reolize the obvious fact that more war with the Israelis will only lead to much more death?
Are you aware that the only way the Israelis will cease to occupy the West Bank and leave Gaza alone - is if they understand that you will not attack them and leave them alone?
"Islam teaches tolerance and forgiveness"
Obviously alot of people have missed that part - and have for a long time.
"and it also teaches that we have the moral and religious right to fight against the aggressors."
I have never heard you refer to the Israelis as human beings.
"The agressors" I see - I guess it is easier to label people then it is to understand them.
"rest assured that today's innocent children in "Israel" will be tomorrow's .......you can fill the blank!"
But I understand - it is easier to hate people when you don't have to think of them as people - that is how hatred works
I think this why programs like "seeds of peace" and this basketball program are important - they get Israeli and Palestinian kids to recognise eachother as PEOPLE not merely hate objects that are turned into evil caracatures by propoganda.
Again - do you want to see Israeli and Palestinian children live in peace?
Israeli is not going anywhere.
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Re: Playing for peace
August 2, 2006 - 05:37 AM
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luke wrote:
"Islam teaches tolerance and forgiveness"
Obviously alot of people have missed that part - and have for a long time.
Israeli is not going anywhere - either you live in peace with Israel - or you do not live in peace.
if you choose war - you must accept its consequences.
If Islam teaches tolerance & forgiveness so does does Christianity & Judism, however I dont see anything forgiveness or tolerance on any side!
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