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German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 26, 2006 - 06:17 PM
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A debate is currently raging in Germany over whether it would be right for German troops to be part of the UN forces in Southern Lebanon if a UN force is to be sent there. Some believe it is wrong for German troops to be potentially looking down the barrel of a gun at the children or grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. But the Holocaust is in the past so should the emotions be kept at bay and the German army do its duty and do what it can for peace?
I'm unsure.
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 26, 2006 - 06:48 PM
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I think there should be an effort to use Muslim troops from Egypt and Turkey for example -
I think there would be less trouble in South Lebanon -
that said I question the Muslim troops ability to look down the barrel of a gun at other Muslims and pull the trigger if need be to for instance avert a missil launching into Israel.
As for the Germans - I think that question should be answered by Israel - I would leave that question to the Israelis and if they are comfortable with it -
I would not be surprised if they didn't want armed Germans on their boarder - forgiven but not forgotten - know what I mean?
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 27, 2006 - 12:02 AM
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To my knowledge, countries like Egypt and Jordan have distanced themselves from the actions of Hizbollah, saying that they have been unnecessary and that it hasn't advanced the interests of many o fthe Arab states in the region.
But I think it would be a huge call to put troops from Muslim countries on the border of Israel and Lebanon. To an outside observer such as myself, I can't see it working.
As for German troops? I agree with Luke, ask Israel. It's all that really can be done. Forgiven but not forgotten i guess aplies the most in circumstances like this ... But maybe not.
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 27, 2006 - 04:34 PM
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Good point on asking Israel.
However, Germany wants to decide as well and some are saying that even if Israel says it's OK, Germany should still say that they will not go because of history.
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 31, 2006 - 05:30 PM
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The point of stationing UN forces is the fact that they are UN, it shouldn't matter if it's from Germany or if it's from Bolivia. The troops should be stationed there as forces from the United Nations and should be seen as such. There were four different armies in Lebanon in '82 which just added to the bloodshed. They should have peacekeeping forces from the UN, doesn't matter what country they all follow under the same protocols.
I also do not know what "Muslim troops" are because Arab armies do not exclude soldiers based on religion. And, further South Lebanon is not occupied only by Muslims, but rather a combination of Shia and Maronites and probably other religions as minorities.
This post was edited on: 2006-07-31 at 05:34 PM by: esizzle
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
July 31, 2006 - 07:23 PM
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"it shouldn't matter if it's from Germany or if it's from Bolivia."
Bolivia never tried to kill all the Jews in the world - a little cultural sensitivity please.
" also do not know what "Muslim troops" are because Arab armies do not exclude soldiers based on religion"
Ah, in that case please let me explain - "Muslim troops" would be troops from armies and nations which are OVERWHELMINGLY Muslim.
Over 90% of the Egypt is Muslim - there is in fact a higher percentage of Muslims in Egypt than there are Jews in Israel.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/eg.html
so I m SOOOOOO sorry for making that gross generalization - it should really be a crime to call Egypt a Muslim country with Muslim army -
Muslims are only 9 out of 10 people - that is barely a majority -
Anyway there a bigger issues - just getting the force together it looks like they should take manpower from where ever they can get it - no one seems to excited about sending their army into Southern Lebanon -
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 2, 2006 - 12:02 PM
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wel an army should not be called as muslim/christian/hindu etc . An army is an army ...troops should not be recognised on the basis of their religion. thats a big no no !!!
muslim and christian army existed during the crusades i suppose but modern army at least here in India is not refered to in that manner.
thats is why in India there was a protest from the armed forces when the current govt decided to run a survey of the armed forces on the basis on religion !
in India army is the only state apparatus left where there are no reservation or quotas on the basis of religion or caste !
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 2, 2006 - 01:57 PM
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This post was edited on: 2006-08-02 at 02:11 PM by: cupofteaforme (Moderator)
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 2, 2006 - 02:08 PM
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 2, 2006 - 04:49 PM
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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-31T181342Z_01_N31281470_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-UN-DIPLOMACY.xml
"UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United Nations on Monday indefinitely postponed a meeting called by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to begin planning a new peacekeeping force for Lebanon, setting back hopes for a quick end to the bloodshed.
U.N. officials said the gathering of potential troop-contributing countries, which had been scheduled for Monday afternoon, was delayed because the force planning process was getting ahead of Middle East diplomacy.
"Like any force that comes after a conflict, that force will be there to implement whatever has been agreed among the actors," U.N. peacekeeping chief Jean-Marie Guehenno told reporters. "You cannot discuss the mandate in isolation of the political process, which in a way underpins the mandate."
Separately, the council on Monday unanimously approved a 30-day extension of the mandate of the existing peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon, the 2,000-strong U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, even though the force has been largely ineffectual for many years.
Council members said the short-term extension would give them more time to work on the outlines of a new force.
UNIFIL has been in the area since 1978 but has been powerless to prevent cross-border violence between Israeli forces and Hizbollah."
Australia, Turkey, France are all invited to contribute troops, but this wont be decided but during the friday meeting of the UN..
As for Germany, Merkel (aswell as Chirac) is opposing the deployment of NATO's Response Force and says it isnt clear what will be Germany's contribution.
http://english.people.com.cn/200607/27/eng20060727_287225.html
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 3, 2006 - 05:52 AM
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I really believe that German troops can be stationed at Israeli border. Israelis of now are no different from Germans then. They are willing to risk civillian lives just for achieving their political agenda.
Furthermore, Germany has been apologetic about its misdeeds of the past, while Japan, an even worse war-crimes perpetrator, never even acknowledged their atrocities. Now, putting Japanese troops in many parts of Asia may be wrong, but I do not see why Israelis will be persistently unforgiving of the Germans, who officially apologised to its war-crime victims?
Lastly, who cares if it is German or any other ethnic group? As long as they fly the UN flag, they are just UN Peacekeepers trying to keep the peace that Israel has been failing to maintain.
We have no time to waste to discuss such trifle matter. What we need is UN intervention and we sure as hell don't need another Rwanda happenning in Lebanon. Peace talks seem to be ineffective and thusly forced ceasefire is necessary to maintain peace in the region. Israel and Hizbullah's attacking each other has drawn nothing but negative publicity for both parties.
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Re: German troops to be stationed at the Israel border? Right or wrong?
August 3, 2007 - 12:21 AM
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the best way is to ask Israel,
and,Germany goverment have apologised for their mistakes made in the world war two sincerely,Nazi have gone in Germany,it is time for the two countries to hold hands together peacefully,
however,if Japan wants to station troops at Asian countries,no one will agree.
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