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"Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 01:44 AM
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Dear Friends,
I have just read and signed the petition: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in
signing the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a
difference. We are trying to reach 100,000 signatures - please sign here:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/927345751
[link="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/927345751"]
Once you have signed, you can help even more by asking your friends and
family to sign as well.
Thank you!
Julliette Onyancha
http://www.thePetitionSite.com
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 03:38 AM
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Hi Kina!
I just wanted to tell you that they are not your sons kidnaped right now and not yourseft sitting in shielded - room afraiding missles from Lebanon launched by terrorists. So how can you tell us how to act or protect ourselves? The action's in Lebanon main purpose is to end the conflict with Hizbollah forever, and you are trying to sign me on a paper requests me to undergo those missles again? (maybe not now but after some years)...
This post was edited on: 2006-07-18 at 03:39 AM by: gosha86
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 12:21 PM
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Thank you Kina for being proactive, and for supporting the Lebanese people.
Our friend S. who is a member of TIG has just came back from Lebanon to the U.A.E. yesterady morning, after experiencing a horrondous escape to the Syrian borders. One of her Lebanese relatives is already seriously injured, and we need your prayers for him and for the rest of the Lebanese people.
I just wanted to tell you that they are not your sons kidnaped right now
The kidnapped ones are considered to be military targets, not civilians.
and not yourseft sitting in shielded- room afraiding missles from Lebanon launched by terrorists.
Those terrorrists begun by kidnapping two soldiers, Israel responded by hitting civilian targets, Israel began messing with the civilians....so the terrorrists responeded the same way.
So how can you tell us how to act or protect ourselves? The action's in Lebanon main purpose is to end the conflict with Hizbollah forever,
To protect yourselves is a matter, and to destroy a whole country is a completely different matter.
and you are trying to sign me on a paper requests me to undergo those missles again? (maybe not now but after some years)...
Those missiles against civilians should be unequivocally condemned, I agree, but at least admit that Israel's firepower against Lebanese civilians is uncomparable with Hezbollah's rockets...and while Hezbollah attacked Israeli tanks, ships, air-balloons, soldiers, and some civilians, Israel attacked bridges, power plants, railways, roads, airports, cities, and residential districts. If both parts are to be condemned, they wouldn't be condemned the same way.
You might even sign to approve an Israeli invasion of Syria, or an Israeli airstrike against Iranian nuke sites.
This post was edited on: 2006-07-18 at 12:30 PM by: aymanelhakea
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 01:17 PM
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Excuse ME -
You act as though Hezbullah is only attacking military targets - they have fired HUNDREDS of missils at towns and cities.
Katusha rockets are not even able to be AIMED - they just point them toward Israel - light the fuse and run away -
you act as though Hezbullah is not firing hundreds of these things into Israeli towns.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 03:19 PM
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930906039 wrote:
Do you really think signing that will make a differance. If Isreal pulled out of Lebenon now and left hezzbollah still intacted they would just seek to destroy Isreal another day. Signing a petition may make you feel good like you did something, but it would accomplish nothing. I hope Isreal stays there and finishes what it starts. Diplomacy and the UN are useless with these people. Who are you going to negotiate with, terrorists.
This post was edited on: 2006-07-18 at 01:42 PM by: 930906039
If Bombing a nation flat is a ever a solution then we might just bid our farewell to the UN and kiss our future goodbye!
All the countries having trouble with their neighbours can bomb each other and become 'martyrs' in the process.
-India can bomb Pakistan as after repeated efforts from the Indian govt , Pakistan still sponsors terrorism in India ...recent example .. Mumbai Blasts ( a close call for me...as I would have history by now if i had made another choice)
Whether terrorists or not , there are innocent civilians living in Lebanon and diplomacy is precisely to avoid any harm to them.
I am with Israel as far as the right to have a peaceful life in their country goes. But the way chosen by them to protect their rights will never have any positive outcome...They might break the terrorists today ...but they will rise again and again...the only solution with long term benefits is " diplomacy" ( even if that includes talks with 'terrorists') they should be ready to address the issue with those who create all the trouble...!
Peace ,
Anu
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 18, 2006 - 03:37 PM
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well on second thought it is pointless to post here ... as after reading the posts in other threads ...I feel that 'reason' has left both the sides.
Now its just plain war of words complementary to the actual war. Both the sides are so firm on their own arguments that they are not ready to look for a meeting point.
If the debate is aimed towards bringing out a solution then it is aimed well...but if it is merely to justify the actions of one's country ...then.. the debate is lost before it even begins...
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 12:15 AM
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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! All I feel like doing is stomping my feet and screaming in frustration. I'm not going to take any sides on this discussion but I simply feel the need to reiterate that killing people really will not solve this ever. Haven't both sides realized that by now? Let's look historically at the hundreds and hundreds of years of violence in this area and what has been produced from that? Generations being raised in fear and living amidst insecurity is certainly not ideal nor even close. How many more years will this continue before someone on both sides realizes that for the sake of EVERYONE, pride, historical hurt, and revenge need to be pushed aside and a real effort, bilaterally and unbiasedly undertaken is the only hope. I fear we are living in an age where war has once again became the barbaric modus operandi.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 05:36 AM
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irina71 wrote:
PROBELMS should be resovled by BRAIN working but not using of force..
Israel should STOP BOMBING!!!
i can tell you from our own expereince in Chechnya, Russia - war actions resolve NOTHING!!
The bombing will create more violence and the Israelis can rest assured that they will feel mush less safer than they ever felt.
Some of their generals have declared their intention to invade the country...and the so-called "world community" won't interfere until the zionists achieve their objective.
This is devloping into a regional war and soon it will develop into a global one.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 05:39 AM
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irina71 wrote:
PROBELMS should be resovled by BRAIN working but not using of force..
Israel should STOP BOMBING!!!
i can tell you from our own expereince in Chechnya, Russia - war actions resolve NOTHING!!
The bombing will create more violence and the Israelis can rest assured that they will feel mush less safer than they ever felt.
Some of their generals have declared their intention to invade the country...and the so-called "world community" won't interfere until the zionists achieve their objective.
This is devloping into a regional war and soon it will develop into a global one.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 08:16 AM
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well,
afetr watching the gory sight on Tv ,i suggest Israel softpedals on this issue.
Lets follow the Law of God thats Forgiveness.
Israel should forgive all its waring nations and leave the rest to God
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 11:03 AM
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Luke,
In this particular case, Hezbollah began by targeting two soldiers...Israel responded by an open-war...targeting all kinds of targets...then Hezbollah responded in the same way.
Besides, this is a link to our friend in TIG S. N. from Dubai, who has returned back to her country this week from Lebanon:
http://abiya.wordpress.com/
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 01:31 PM
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"the Israelis can rest assured that they will feel mush less safer than they ever felt."
uh-huh - you mean less safe than when Egyptian tanks were 30 miles from Tel Aviv?
this kind of Hyperbolea is meaningless.
"This is devloping into a regional war and soon it will develop into a global one. "
I would hope not - and frankly the Arabs had better hope not - in WW3 they are the big losers as they are totally outgunned.
"In this particular case, Hezbollah began by targeting two soldiers" - Ayman
well actually it was 10 soldiers - they killed 8 of them.
I think you are also forgetting the barrage of missils Hezbullah launched in order to create cover for their raid across the boarder.
Then the Israelis struck Nasrallah's house and he called an open war
so it is not as cut and dry as Hezbullah would like it to be.
but more to the point - they are not an army, they are a terrorist orgnaization -
have you ever considered that the reason all the Sunni states except Syria are uncomfortable with Hezbullah and their actions -
is because you have a HEAVILY armed Shia militia taking orders from Iran causing trouble in the Sunni backyard.
they have missils that can threaten Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey - Hezbullah is actually CLOSER than Iran is.
I don't think any of these Sunni states want Iran to have that kind of leverage over them - and they do not want the third strongest military force in the regoin to be a gurilla organization - for obvious reasons.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 02:27 PM
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Some times force is the only way to solve problems. This is the real world not the made up Taking it Global world. The Isrealos must destroy hezzbolah or they will keep coming back.
And the UN is useless.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 04:36 PM
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In this case, I don't think that force is the only way to solve the problem. That is my point. Force has been used in this area for decades and some could even argue for centuries, but Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese...are no more safer today than they were ten, twenty, thirty etc years ago.
Using only force misses the point. There is a reason that people end up growing up believing that bombing, terrorism, and killing is the only way to negotitate. Until efforts are made to get at the CAUSE for why terrorist groups exist, they will continue to exist in some form or another. It is sort of like saying to someone with brain cancer to just take a mild pain reliever. Sure, it will help to alleviate symptoms of a headache but it does nothing to get at the root of the problem. If you need a more literal example, think about WWII. Sure, that war ended the expansion and genocide of the Nazis but it did not eliminate the Nazi movement completely. It definitely slowed them down but Nazism is still a force (although a bit underground) today. Blowing up hundreds of people won't eliminate Hezbollah or extremists Israelis, just kill lots of people, create more anger and fertilize the ground for future uprisings.
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Re: "Israel Pull Out of Lebanon"
July 19, 2006 - 05:43 PM
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I think the post above makes some good points - and these points will be relavent again - but for the next week I think talk is cheap and it will all be decided on the ground.
when the dust settles it will be important to deal with root causes -
the International community has to really lean on all sides to come to a lasting agreement -
and 90210 (can you give yourself a name?)
I can't agree that the UN is useless - rather they will be essential in supporting the Lebanese government to take control of their own country - and ultimately in dealing with Iran and North Korea.
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