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Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 15, 2006 - 09:47 PM
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Is the belief in God actually helping people? The more one puts his entire faith on god; the less faith he has on himself. No matter what happens (good or bad); many (who believe in god) say it's because of HIm. Is god preventing us from seeing the world for what it is; and is He promoting ignorance? Does believing in Him reduce our trust in ourselves? Here are some of the questions that I would like your feedback on. Thank You
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 15, 2006 - 11:25 PM
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i think belief in God does in fact help people. The whole concept of faith of some higher more "powerful" being than yourself is in someway comforting. we as humans are "limited" in our ability and "power" to solve our problems but having God on our side makes us believe in miracles, that anything is possible especially for those things in our lives which may not be in our direct control. I guess wat i'm trying to say is that our faith and God are a source of hope, and hope is what is needed to live...more than ever in time of despair. And without hope there is no life....i think most people can agree on that.
God does not promote ignorance...He provides comfort and reassurance. HE does not rule our life....but as a friend He provides the guidance and patience we need to be the best that we can be, to trust in honesty and do what is rite for ourselves and for those around us. Thinking in this way, i think God is actually allowing us to put a greater faith in our abilities
we NEED God. In today's time when world is full of tragic things for which we have no answrest....we need reassurance and hope for a better tomorrow...
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 15, 2006 - 11:26 PM
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continuation.........
We all need "magic" and "miracles" at some point in life. We all need someone to share our problems, our worries, with. God is always there for us in that sense...Only HE can be there. Also i think it would be wrong to measure God's ability by how many "miracles" we get because although we may not get the miracles we were asking for....more importantly we got the HOPE of getting the miracle and hope is what gave us the patience to live through our problem. This gives us courage and strength and thus, the ability to go through the worst time in our lives. If anyone ever looks back in time at certain "difficult" time in their life and wonders how did i ever overcome this? It is because of that faith that we were able to take one day at a time....one problem at a time and overcome some thing that may look unbearable otherwise. God is not there for us to blame or for us to give magical solutions.....after all God is a frame of mind...He is an ideal of what we should be and how we should be. He is a concept of the Good and the Positivity that lies deep within all of us and when we pray....we are in fact, remembering that Goodness does exist in midst of everything else.
I can say all this because many times in my life i have felt helpless, out of control and i had to turn to my faith to keep living my life without focusing on the bad things. When u feel someone's pain and can not do much to make it better because ur miles away....when the situation just doesn't allow......i can not do nething but pray that watever happens will be for the best or that in the end it will all be worth it...only God can give me that reassurance. Having God is like having this big hand on ur head..reaching out to u....comforting u and putting u to sleep when no one sees the pain nor the tears.
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 16, 2006 - 05:22 AM
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"believing in god is not wanting to know what the truth is" - nitzche
I agree with everyone 4m has said, god is comfort, not ignorance.
How could he be ingronace...he tells us that he loves us dearly, that we have a purpose in life and that he has a plan for us all
At times the debate about god gets waayyy outta hands but the arguement about relgioin will continue in hell...
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 16, 2006 - 11:48 AM
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patriciak wrote:
"believing in god is not wanting to know what the truth is" - nitzche
I agree with everyone 4m has said, god is comfort, not ignorance.
How could he be ingronace...he tells us that he loves us dearly, that we have a purpose in life and that he has a plan for us all
At times the debate about god gets waayyy outta hands but the arguement about relgioin will continue in hell...
I dont totally agree with Nitzsche..
A belief in supernatural, in inexplainable, in unknown, in mysterious, or in other words, in anything human science, logic, intuition and other human faculties cannto explain WAS, IS and WILL be attributed to a higher "instance" and most notably GOD.
Humans are fragile and irrational, and when all and every possible way of thinking and reasoning fails them, they need to have it attributed otherwise they will get crazy...
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 16, 2006 - 12:37 PM
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I think it's different for every person. I strongly believe in God, but do I go around saying others are 'wrong' or 'bad' if they don't believe in God? Not really, because I can see that they do have some reasoning as to why they are athiests (even though I think there is greater proof that God exists:P)
Just cuz for me and a lot of people God brings a sense of hope in the modern world today filled with hate, poverty, etc. does not mean God is the answer for everyone. And it does not mean people who don't believe in God are bad people, they could be very generous and giving for all we know!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people believe in different things and view things from different perspectives. Let them be open to their views as long as theyre not harming you or our society.
Two things I really hate and believe causes arguments are
1. When people don't put themselves in other people's shoes.
2. When people try to impose their views on others
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 16, 2006 - 03:55 PM
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patriciak wrote:
"believing in god is not wanting to know what the truth is" - nitzche
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I can't agree with Nietzshe completely !
Because believing in God never impedes me from trying to know more ! and explore !
But partly yes ! with respect to creation of Human life ...sometimes the debate on how we all came about just annoys me like crazy !!!
sometimes i think ...well we are here ...so move on and try to make sure we can live off the planet's hospitality for some more time !!!
Moreover ,
The things we do in the name of God simply puts off certain people from the belief that God exists ...
I feel that God is in 'Life ' ...and we should respect life ...God is not in any of the holy books or any of the religious places ...God is everywhere in 'life'
This way of thinking doesnt hinder me in any way...
Believing in God helps me to deal with things at times !
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 16, 2006 - 07:37 PM
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Believing in God makes me feel that I'm not here by "chance" or "creative chaos". This makes me more kene about the reason of my existence: the welfare of this planet.
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 17, 2006 - 02:10 AM
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The more we believe in God the less we put trust in ourselves. I mean if we really want something, we say Oh god please help me; and by chance if you get what you want; you just keep on asking god for it; and think its because of God that ur wishes are coming true. Never for once do you stop to believe that maybe you are getting the things you want because you worked hard to get it. Many only remember and call out for god when they are in deep trouble; don't they believe that they can solve it themselves? Why do they have to go to god for every single problem. Don't they believe in their own abilities? Why can't you just trust yourself enough to think that you can do anything you want.
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 17, 2006 - 12:03 PM
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starry-night,
I agree with the way you describe the hocus-pocus sense that religion seems to be, in many cases where you hear people's reasoning, behind their use of the word God and religion.
What you point to, makes for a strong case to demonstrate the difference between belief and faith.
Belief relies on one's capacity to reason and on the mental strength of one to stay convinced and trusting no matter what. When reasoning and conviction do not suffice, then comes the structural peer/ inner pressure of " blind faith", where one proves loyalty to a set of beliefs and to the social order in which one lives by the given set of beliefs.
Contrary to what beliefs do when it calls trust in God blind faith, the fact is that Faith is the spiritual faculty connecting us to God so as to feed, to see and to hear eternal life from the revealing approach of the One Him/Herself.
Faith is knowing God from Her/His own personal introduction into our heart and spirit and goes on growing to reach our soul and body as we get to grow from knowing the Source of existance and of life of the spirit, at the source of all matters.
By Faith I get to learn who I am and as I get to know who I am, I can simply be and do as I am. I do not need to fabricate trust in myself or something else, because I simply am and I do according to the boundaries of such an experience.
So if I attempt something that seems impossible and yet, I insist to do it, then patience and practice are where self-confidence can grow. The patience and the drive to use my skill are from God,
the practice is mine to execute with all the dedication that I am inspired with.
Self-confidence and self-reliance are not the same. I rely on God but I am the one who must live out who I am. So I rely on God and I move in trust of who She/He makes me.
...continues on next post...
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 17, 2006 - 12:26 PM
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...continues from previous post...
Ultimatly, the relationship with God boils down to Her/His putting in me justice, peace and joy and when this is clear in my living out my life, worship in truth and in my spirit grows, which cannot happen unles one experiences Whom to worship; then there is thankgiving and praise, which cannot happen if one does not know whom to praise and to give thanks to.
Simplicity of reality is what God is all about, not complicated formulas of wishful thinking and gymnastics of the mind, soul and heart.
Being is where we connect with God, self and one another.
May we all be blessed to be...
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 17, 2006 - 04:34 PM
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starry-night wrote:
The more we believe in God the less we put trust in ourselves. I mean if we really want something, we say Oh god please help me; and by chance if you get what you want; you just keep on asking god for it; and think its because of God that ur wishes are coming true. Never for once do you stop to believe that maybe you are getting the things you want because you worked hard to get it. Many only remember and call out for god when they are in deep trouble; don't they believe that they can solve it themselves? Why do they have to go to god for every single problem. Don't they believe in their own abilities? Why can't you just trust yourself enough to think that you can do anything you want.
well , all i can say is that it doesnt happen with me ..
The relation with God is different with each person.
I do need God !
my god is a personal God ! one who knows all ...does not belong to any religion ! is cool and a good friend in need !
I am claustrophobic , and as a teen i had the misfortune to be stuck alone in one of the old rooms at my ancestral home ...I and my cousins were playin hide and seek ( after that experience i never played Hide and seek again  )...I just couldnt get out ! the doors were jammed shut and there was no light inside .it was really a tiny room ...and never used by anyone ...i was really scared ....i was so scared that i couldnt even cry out ...i had lost my voice ....at that time i felt that somebody was with me ...trying to tell me not to panic ....I actually heard someone singing to me my favourite song...it made me relax and think ...and then i tried to open the door again ...and it opened !!!
I dont know what it was ...i dont know whether there is God or not in this world ! But it surely helps me to deal with some things in life ...
I dont leave everything to God , i work hard , i make my own choices and then ask God to be with me ....
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 19, 2006 - 01:05 PM
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aymanelhakea wrote:
Believing in God makes me feel that I'm not here by "chance" or "creative chaos". This makes me more kene about the reason of my existence: the welfare of this planet.
My dear Ayman!
There is a science about calculating how "by chance" or "creative chaos" can a life arise on planet. ITs called Astrobiology or Exobiology!
Exobiology
I posted this elsewhere and more than once but thought i would post it here again!
Its all about Drake Equation which calculates the probability a life like ours can arise in some planet..
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 20, 2006 - 01:26 AM
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There is a fine line between help and hindrance. Belief in God/Higher Power can help humanity because it will bring about unity, and provide a sense of community for people, and a support system when they need it.
It can be a hindrance; because belief in God can start wars (Crusades), and be perverted to justify some horrible acts.
-concernedcdn
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Re: Belief in God - help or hindrance to humanity
June 20, 2006 - 06:18 AM
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concernedcdn
Well said. I use 2 words to describe the 2 sides of the equation to which you point out: "Radiancy" as opposed to "militancy"
One who knows the Creator for real and who is on good terms with Her/Him has a palpable glow of serenity, of sanctity, of wisdom and of love which emanates directly from the individual's spiri being made just by the Fathert like the fine tuning of a musical instrument,. providing nutrients and subtenance to her/his soul, where deep within the heart, the body is given regeneration.
To meet one who is genuinely holy is to receive the initial blessing of a search, discovery and deployment of eternal life into one's existance. It is a joy that nothing can take away...
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