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what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 10:21 AM
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 hiiiiiiiiiii , i hope u will not live under israeli occupation oneday ...
In this massage i will write by red colour which runs every day from palestinian by Israeli occupation .
Besides all kinds of suffering ,Palestinians in gaza strip have only two places for interesting , the beach and the big park .....
when palestinians go to the beach , they dont feel safety because as all of u have seen the masacres which committ by israeli army and the last one when they shelled Huda's family on gaza beach in which she lost her family .... i want from all of u to imagine that Huda is israeli , and palestinian killed her family .... please ask yourself every moment about what have u done to those who killed in cold blood in all the places in the world ,
what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?!!!!!!!!!!... finally i hope that god bless Huda's family ...
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 10:46 AM
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My friend, i understand your feelings...
In order not to start a long excursion into the history of this conflict, I just want to say that as of now, at this moment, innocent people die on both sides.... Someone's father, mother, other members of family, relatives, die in Israel (resulting from bombs launched from Norther Gaza or elsewhere and suicide bombings) and in Palestine (from Israeli Army shells and retaliation attacks)...
It is sad that the conflict, instead of attenuating, is being escalated and exacerbated now...
i posted today on http://discussv5.takingitglobal.org/thread/15105
about how it turned out that both Israel and Hamas blame each other for Huda's family tragedy.. And personally i believe it is the fault of Israelis...
Many children lost their parents many parents lost their children... this conflict is not new and many many people died every since birth of the Israeli state..
I hope it will soon be over, although i cant help but be pessimistic with what Hamas is up to at the moment in terms of settling down internal differences...
H.
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 02:40 PM
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I have several things to say regarding this issue:
1. according to the investigation's findings they were not killed by the Israeli army. On top of that - the Palestinians did not cooperate with the Israeli army request to check the crime scene! they have no reason to do so and to deny the Israelis attempts to figure out who's responsible.
2. The KASAM rockets are directed at Israeli citizens unlike Israel's army attacks which is directed only at the launching territory. Even more so, you don't feel safe?! what about those children who study at the school where the KASAM rocket fell?! do you think they can feel safe to leave the safety room? well let me tell you, they can't and they don't. not when there are 16 rocket landing at their village.
lets hope for good..
Anati
You really should take a look at your actions first, the Palestinians actions are aimed hurting innocent people whilst the Israeli one are only aimed at terrorists.
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 02:42 PM
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I am really sad about what happened !
it just brings out the truth about WAR!
it feeds on innocent lives lke Huda's family....
Both Isreal and Palestine leaders will use this unfortunate incidence to spread more hatred ...and more lives will be taken on both sides!!!
I wish they see some sense and stop all the hate talk ....and begin with some good wil towards each other...
it is very difficult given the kind of history!!!
but they have to start at some point!!!
This should not go on anymore !!!!
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 03:22 PM
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I think we will never really know exactly what killed Huda's family -
either the Israeli shell of the Hamas landmines -
the point is that her family got caught in a war - it was not intentional.
If it was an Israeli shell I seriously doubt the Israeli's were "aiming" for them - they were aiming at Hamas guys firing rockets.
if it was a Hamas land mine, then I am certain Hamas did not leave a mindfeild there for the purpose of killing Huda's family.
Yet they died - in the crossfire.
"it just brings out the truth about WAR!"
amen.
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 15, 2006 - 07:56 PM
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luke wrote:
I think we will never really know exactly what killed Huda's family -
either the Israeli shell of the Hamas landmines -
the point is that her family got caught in a war - it was not intentional.
If it was an Israeli shell I seriously doubt the Israeli's were "aiming" for them - they were aiming at Hamas guys firing rockets.
if it was a Hamas land mine, then I am certain Hamas did not leave a mindfeild there for the purpose of killing Huda's family.
Yet they died - in the crossfire.
"it just brings out the truth about WAR!"
amen.
Dear Luke ..
how you can believe such a lie like that ?!! Do you really believe that the Israelis didn't mean to kill this Palestinian family ? .. Do you really believe that Hamas have land mines !!?? ...
actually , The ship that fired the missile toward the Palestinian family was captured and the video was published on TV news reports ...
also, The Israelis do know that those are not Hamas members ! They know that they are a Palestinian family !!! ... but why they killed them ? i think that you should ask them directly .... but i think that they won't answer you because they didn't answer the world when they killed the Palestinians in JENEEN before ... or when they killed them in Lebanon in " Sabra & shatila" !!!!!!! and many others !! .....
To be a Palestinian is an enough reason for them to KILL you !! .... thats how they think ....
Take care .....
SAM ......................
This post was edited on: 2006-06-15 at 07:58 PM by: mrsamer2005
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli occupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 06:12 AM
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well ofcource all of us are really sad about what happened but unfortanetly what's new ???Nothing! daily ppl are being killed but another sad thing is that we can't blame the Israeli's ...actually we can never do that bcoz to the world they are always the poor innocent ppl the victim no matter what ........and that's not gonna change easily or soon
anati i'm really sorry but let's not forget that Palestine is under occupation ...so u r talking about ppl who r strugling to live in their own country while those who don't even have the right to be their have the right to do everything in it
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 07:23 AM
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hiii ,,,,, thank u for interesting
* there is no doubt that israeli army was the responsible of this action as we saw on tv .
* Huda's family is one of families which have killed by israeli , every day we lost flower from palestine ....
* my friend Anati u should compare between the victim and the occupier and im sure that u know the history perfectly and if u dont know ask u parents .... i know that u was born in israel _ palestine but i think u family arent from israel _ palestine but if u go back for years u will find that palestinian forgave israeli and forgot all masacres which have committed by israeli and decided to held a peace process and live in peace with the israeli partner . israeli replied by killing Rabin the israeli priminister in that time the man of peace as they called him ..... i'd like to tell u that palestinian only has the simple army but israeli who have tanks , big weapons , nuclear army as we hear in news , etc.........
i ensure that our resistance is just a simple reaction .... Palestinian practice the democratic elections and elected Hamas which has performed long armistice with israeli by 1967 borders and jerusalem is the capital and israeli replies by lonely plan ....
****** i want to mention that there are israeli extremism parties which againt the exist of palestinian annd the want to force us out and other dont agree with the peace process .....
we want justice peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 11:04 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5082820.stm
The Hamas-led Palestinian government is willing to urge militants to renew a ceasefire if Israel halts its attacks on Gaza, a spokesman has said.
Israel welcomed the offer, the Associated Press news agency reported, quoting foreign ministry spokesman Mark Regev as saying: "If it is quiet, we will answer that with quiet."
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 11:11 AM
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Mr Samer,
Of course Hamas sets landmines against Israeli offensives - it is war, they would be fools if they did not.
Of course the Israelis were NOT aiming for family on the beach - why would they?
How would it benefit the Israelis? They were firing on the Jihad and Hamas guys launching rockets.
over 100 rockets have been launched from Northern Gaza in the last week - it is an active battlefront - this is the fact of the matter.
As for the world seeing the Israeli's as victims - I think most of the world simply recognizes that there are innocent victims in both Israel and Palestine.
niether side has some monopoly on victimhood.
And Nagy - if the Palestinians want peace - then they should tell Hamas to ACCEPT PREVIOUS PEACE AGREEMENTS & ABANDON THEIR PURSUIT OF THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!
If Hamas wants peace then let them say so - let them accept the refferendum.
You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth, and say you want peace on one hand, and yet have a Hamas government which rejects peace.
And MrSamer, Nagy
I didn't hear such moral outrage from EITHER of you when a Palestinain Suicide bomber blew up 9 innocent civilians, and injured 60 last month in Tel Aviv.
those were innocent people too, they had families - but to them you say "resistance is logical outcome of occupation"
yeah well, return fire is the logical outcome of having rockets shot at you.
Nagy - if you want peace - then the FIRST thing you must understand is the basic moral principal
"it is not only wrong when it happens to you"
it is just as wrong when it happens to the Israelis - both sides are to blame and it is encumbant on both sides to find peace.
And MNOPQ - the former ceasefure was not really ceasefire becuase Jihad was still launching rockets - if Hamas is ready to reign in Jihad, then I think things could settle down.
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 11:12 AM
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mrsamer2005 wrote:
Dear Luke ..
how you can believe such a lie like that ?!! Do you really believe that the Israelis didn't mean to kill this Palestinian family ? .. Do you really believe that Hamas have land mines !!?? ...
actually , The ship that fired the missile toward the Palestinian family was captured and the video was published on TV news reports ...
also, The Israelis do know that those are not Hamas members ! They know that they are a Palestinian family !!! ... but why they killed them ? i think that you should ask them directly .... but i think that they won't answer you because they didn't answer the world when they killed the Palestinians in JENEEN before ... or when they killed them in Lebanon in " Sabra & shatila" !!!!!!! and many others !! .....
To be a Palestinian is an enough reason for them to KILL you !! .... thats how they think ....
Take care .....
SAM ......................
This post was edited on: 2006-06-15 at 07:58 PM by: mrsamer2005
Sam> i dont think Israeli Army targeted especially the Palestinian family...I read and heard how Palestinians are "treated" by Israeli Army but that doesnt mean that Israelis are not human...
I rather thin kthis was a misfore, a mistake, and agreeing with Batoola, I think one of many death in the middle of the corssfire.. am sure this incident is not the first nor will it be the last... as long as there is a war..
Anati> I posted yesterday about "proofs" by Palestinians and Israelis.. Both blame each other and naturally I dont think Israel would say "Yes we did that bombing, sorry" even if they have done so... Any country can claim anything they want but truth is one in this case.. and i tend to believe the American Human Rights Watch report claiming it was an Israeli shell..
Nagyelali> Palestine and Israel have to move on, continue to coexist as neighbors and the only way is the two-state solution envisaged by Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas.. Palestinians cannot keep the ever-lasting grudge against Israel.. its not right.. yes , i know the history but now its like this the situation and there is no way Israel would like to "annihilate" itself and have the region with pre-48 condition. One has to live with and move on...
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli occupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 03:42 PM
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"As for the world seeing the Israeli's as victims - I think most of the world simply recognizes that there are innocent victims in both Israel and Palestine.
niether side has some monopoly on victimhood." luke
I wish if that's true but I don't think so ..but I can't deny that ppl now have more knowledge about the endless conflict
"And Nagy - if the Palestinians want peace - then they should tell Hamas to ACCEPT PREVIOUS PEACE AGREEMENTS & ABANDON THEIR PURSUIT OF THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!
If Hamas wants peace then let them say so - let them accept the refferendum"
I'm afraid that's not easy bcoz they want them to accept the existance of Israel and we can't say in the same time that it's a legal country when it doesn't even have the right to be their
"Nagy - if you want peace - then the FIRST thing you must understand is the basic moral principal
"it is not only wrong when it happens to you" "
I don't need to talk about our believes in these things bcoz the islamic history is an enough prove that this is not how we see things , but plz again don't forget that Palestine is occupied
"Nagyelali> Palestine and Israel have to move on, continue to coexist as neighbors and the only way is the two-state solution envisaged by Ehud Olmert and Mahmoud Abbas.. Palestinians cannot keep the ever-lasting grudge against Israel.. its not right.. yes , i know the history but now its like this the situation and there is no way Israel would like to "annihilate" itself and have the region with pre-48 condition. One has to live with and move on..." mnopq
It's also not that easy because we can't just move on and accept their existance
like that even if we tried it's not going to work .....and i don't know but would you accept that if you were talking about ur own country ?
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 04:12 PM
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Yes Batool ,
I can say for Kashmir Issue , India has recognised POK !
pakistan has repeatedly waged war against us , it sponsors terrorists in Kashmir and even harbours wanted Underworld criminals like Dawood Ibrahim in Karachi ....but we still want peace and hold talks with them again and again ...in the hope of a permanent solution to the Kashmir Issue .....This problem started in 1947 , with our Independence ...and is still going on .....but we still look forward to peace one day....we open our borders for trade to them..
Because it is all in the long term interest of people on both sides ...
some things are hard to accept but accepting them is a neccessity for the larger good ...
Creation of Isreal on Palestinian land was wrong....but it was done ages ago and now it is impossible to ask all the people in Isreal to suddenly get up and leave their homes !!!
people on both sides have to accept that they are neighbours now and it is better for both to extend the hand of friendship ....
In this case , the call for ceasefire by Hamas is a welcoming break from their hardliner stance ...i hope they achieve what their predeccesors could not i.e. Peace !
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 06:08 PM
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" لقد حولوا ( القضية) الى قضايا....حتى يمكنهم قتلنا تحت تسمية اخرى غير الجريمة"
من رواية احلام مستغانمي
ذاكرة الجسد
the english translation for what i wrote above is ..
" they turned the "issue" into issues so they can murder us under names other than the crime "
qouted from
Ahlam motaganmy's novel
the memory of the body
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Re: what are u going to do against israeli ocupation who killed Huda's family and leave her alone ?
June 16, 2006 - 06:24 PM
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anuriandima84 I hope that the Kashmir issue would also be solved also soon
"Because it is all in the long term interest of people on both sides ...
some things are hard to accept but accepting them is a neccessity for the larger good ..."
that is true but in the palestinian's israeli's conflict no atleast that's what I think
"Creation of Isreal on Palestinian land was wrong....but it was done ages ago and now it is impossible to ask all the people in Isreal to suddenly get up and leave their homes !!!"
tell me about it!!! if they wanted to leave it won't be that huge problem ,they came this way so they can leave in the same way just as they came
"people on both sides have to accept that they are neighbours now and it is better for both to extend the hand of friendship ....In this case "
never going to happen even if we wanted to and we don't ! because their plans are alot farther than this
Froot thanks for putting this here and yes indeed , no need to comment on it ,I just love this woman's trilogy
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