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leo martins
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World Trading Peace Square
September 15, 2001 - 04:44 AM
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WORLD TRADING PEACE SQUARE
If we didn’t rebuild the World Trade Center in record time, or a newer, cutting edge building in its place...
If in that spot we put a square (emptyness?) that reminded us, even if only once in a while, of the responsibility of being citizens of a planet, not of a private island...
Maybe then, one day, in that square, some black, white, yellow or blue citizens, not even noticing their colors, would casually meet and talk about the past, when a certain weird concept existed, called “frontier”.
And probably, at that moment, in that square, those citizens would also remember when, in that past, to be protected behind walls and be forced to exhibit each time more powerful weapons, were part of an even stranger concept, which people used to call “freedom”.
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
September 15, 2001 - 05:46 AM
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wow....
i like your style.
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
September 15, 2001 - 07:43 AM
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some grass and trees, too!?
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
September 15, 2001 - 10:45 AM
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and a quiet space with a trickle of water over pebbles to sit and reflect....but I think yes this is brillant..... it is the *only* message - a building couldn't do that - not yet...
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
September 16, 2001 - 02:32 AM
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I think that is a great idea. I think that if we left it like that it would help people remember all that was lost, it would almost be like some sort of reminder of the past. It would symoblize the tragedy and unity of the people that came together. Most likely in a few years this will be at the back of our minds and we will no longer be as patriotic nor as united because we have a short term memory when it comes to these sort of things. However if your idea were implemented it would remind people on a everyday basis and maybe we would be less prone to start back the way we were, always drawing a line between republicans and democrats, blacks and whites, poor and rich...etc.
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Unfortunately . . .
September 16, 2001 - 07:06 AM
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There'll be an american flag in that relfection square, which will just make it look ugly.
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
September 16, 2001 - 10:07 AM
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The sad thing is that if we did this for every target of terrorism worldwide... the world would be covered in these little white squares...
you could play a game of chess with mountains...
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true.
September 17, 2001 - 09:38 AM
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so very true Jarra - so very very true.
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ps - Jarra, please explain to me what exactly is going on with MSN last night, i have no idea what happened.
Ciao
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love this - how can we spread the message?
September 18, 2001 - 12:36 PM
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this is a truly beautiful concept.
sometimes an empty space can signify a great deal and can indeed be more powerful than a great big ugly office building... a square may bring some tranquility to an otherwise frenetic city...
hiroshima is a beautiful example of this.
what about a youth center -- a place where people can go to paint murals like eden, jeff and melanies etc? or perhaps even play chess. or surf through wireless and post msg on taking it global?
possibilities are endless.
sadly, unless we act, it seems more likely we'll build something horrible there
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/gen.wtc.rebuild/
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nice, but . . .
September 19, 2001 - 05:09 AM
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sure enough, its a beautiful concept.
But wouldnt it be even more beautiful if we could get rid of the system that caused this to happen in the first place? capitalism?
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
April 14, 2003 - 10:34 AM
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great idea, but It won't happen. Prolly a new symbol of US economic power will take the WTC's place. Most of you must have seen the plans for the state of the art replacement centres of commerce.
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
April 15, 2003 - 12:02 PM
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not to rain on the parade but I was in NY and watched those buildings go down, and all I was thinking was that I would not go quietly into the night, I would not be coward, I would not submit, I would put those buildings right back up and build them higher. We were meant to reach for the sky.
The next day I walked ground Zero before the dust had settled, and I wrote with my finger in the soot clinging to a window - "The strong create, the weak destroy."
Understand the New York mentality - it is not about peaceful streams and trickles of water, it is a focal point of creative energy. Before the buildings fell they were already being rebuilt in the minds of New Yorkers and at some level it is a discision for New Yorkers to make -
it is for them to descide what to do - they beleive in reaching for the sky, and nothing will stop them.
One more thing, for most New Yorkers those building were not a 'symbol of capatilist power', any more then the Apallo missions, it was about what Americans could acheive. They were a landmark in the proud city skyline, they marked the direction south.
NYers are far to proud and their strength and heart far too deep to sit still as though implicitely agreeing with the terrorists that the buildings should have never been.
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World Trading Peace Square
August 5, 2003 - 03:36 AM
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I agree that a memorial, not another building, should represent the loss we all suffered. A space that speaks of loss, where one can go and meditate on where we are now, and remember those that once were there and are no more.
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Re: World Trading Peace Square
August 5, 2003 - 05:57 AM
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I like the idea, and I understand what you're trying to describe, but Toronto recently built what was hoped to be a people's center in urban downtown Toronto - an open, cultural and social mecca of activity where individuals and groups could gather, relax and enjoy themselves, and where entertainers could perform their acts.
Sadly, instead, the corner-of-a-city-block construction in the center of the downtown core turned out to be a concrete square, with few benches and fewer trees or greenery. There are some fancy fountains, and the terrain slants upward towards what's to be a performer's stage, but it's turned out largely to be a flop; few people gather there, for a myriad of reasons, and some which do are promptly policed-off due to an even greater myriad of reasons.
For Toronto, the ideal for it was there, and still is for most who write about it, but the experience has taught many people that to construct something so valuable and practical for everyone takes more than architectural plans and ambition. For Toronto the space was part of a larger plan to capitalize on the flux of sedentary people in the vicinity to charge higher fees for advertising space, particularly on the oversized screens atop buildings across the intersection, and city regulations of it require most persons to acquire a permit - which costs money including possibly hidden fees in security, police, etc. to use the space. Neither drummers, buskers nor anyone else can use it for anything other than sitting in the sun on one of the few benches, looking into the concrete slab and traffic gridlock, to the smell of pollution on many of our air-quality-warning days.
It's taught many people than to create something social, cultural and personal to people indeed takes planning, but much more than that. I hope that if something like this can be built in New York, that similar mistakes can be avoided, and that if it's for the people, that they be allowed to occupy and use the space without undue restrictions.
And I think Luke has a pretty real point. Though it's unfortunate our world isn't so ideal.
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What about?
August 5, 2003 - 06:13 AM
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What about the countless numbers of people lost in African tribal warfare this decade?
What about the number of people killed from lack of food or clean water?
What about those killed by disease, such as AIDS?
What about everyone ever killed in tragic circumstances?
I'm not trying to rain on the ideas, many people died that day - but more people die daily in various tragic circumstances.
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