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Ed Jonas
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Human Nature
February 25, 2006 - 10:55 AM
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Feb 25, 2006
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I guess I have a question or a issue of inquiry.
Has Humanity changed or grown or evolved
over this time and if so how?
In your experience is or does humanity seem different
and if so how and why?
ed
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Re: Human Nature
February 25, 2006 - 01:07 AM
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Not sure...what to think
It is not only what is said
though that matters but "how" it is said as well and
I think there is an important distiction between
"Humankind" and "Mankind"...
One being more benign and in harmony
towards nature than the other.
ie "One small for man, One giant leap for mankind"
Neil Armstrong Moon landing 1969
read: One small step for man, one giant leap
for "humankind".
a small error or distinction perhaps
but fairly telling.
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Man Misunderstands Nature
February 25, 2006 - 11:14 AM
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These are the words of my brother, I don't think he'll minds if I use them.
"Nature had a plan for humans. Humans
however decided to lose the plan and enact a new one.
Suppose the last twenty centuries have been the
process of skating out on to thin ice. This plan of
modern man to control the universe is just that. A
half though out monkey impulse. The ice is cracking
all around us as the plan is exposed for what it is.
Problem... Man doesn't understand nature.
Memory is powerful and transcendent. Suppose your
spirit/god/whatever is a catolog of known patterns of
nature that work(good ones). Suppose this is what the
big secret is. Everything alive uses this info to
move forward. Suppose this all resides in the only
place that is inaccesible to modern man. His own
mind. Suppose these patterns are important to the
functionality of the entire program. Suppose the
program void of real history expresses just that.
Faliure. In each and every person. Its funny. I
read something that said, the nature of finding God is
like a boy chasing his father, the father will outrun
the boy until... Tag! The Son touches the Father and
the chase continues in the opposite direction."
What do you think?
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Re: Human Nature
March 7, 2006 - 02:55 AM
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Hobbes was onto something in his belief that human nature is naturally to incline towards chaos, greed, selfishness, etc. When looking at most of human history, this observation is justified over and over again. We can't truly know how and if humanity has changed for sure, because no one that was alive two or twenty centuries ago is alive today. We can only assume based on legend, history written down (by the victorious), and the Bible (which has been rewritten countless times).
One thing we do know, humans have always had a tendency to go to war, wether for land, riches, goods or the odd woman (whose face could launch a thousand ships- or so the Iliad says). Supposedly, we as a species have evolved enough in our characteristics and tendencies to now live as progressed nations, in relative peace. Right? Or so democracy dictates (or communism depending if you live in China- relativity again). Unfortunately, our supposed gains in intellect, technology and culture throughout the centuries are somewhat hindered by current wars brewing and raging for various reasons, in many parts of the world, namely in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, South America and much of Africa. But then the argument could be made that the reasons for these conflicts lie in the respective areas' lacking economic, social and governmental stability and sub-par (or non-existent) infrastructure systems. Since this is the case, why have developed, first world nations with huge surpluses and much of the population experiencing not malnutrition and insufficient medical treatment, but obesity- From EATING TOO MUCH FOOD (I forgot the source, but apparantly if everyone on the planet left the same ecological footprint as middle to upper-class Americans, we would need 3 Earths to provide enough resources/land to satisfy the average person's habits of waste)- not stepped up and attempted to aid the world's underpriveledged population to a discernable degree?
The simple and obvious, and most troubling answer is, the world revolves around money. Rather, the top 20% of the population who control 80% if the world economy, revolve around money. I guess we haven't evolved that much, if we are still waging wars over riches (whether gained by employing children in sweatshops, or by invading countries for oil under the pretense of liberation and the fight against terrorism). Just like Napolean, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan.
Sure we've evolved as a society. But not our instincts, tendencies and weaknesses. They've always been the same. And chances are they always will be, with the exception of a few.
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Re: Human Nature
March 12, 2006 - 09:02 AM
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Here is an attempt to go from what is said to the satisfactory completion of what is being addressed:
Lastchance says: "The simple and obvious, and most troubling answer is, the world revolves around money."
An old say answers: "The root of all evil is the love of money"
Lastchance says: "Sure we've evolved as a society. But not our instincts, tendencies and weaknesses. They've always been the same."
Benoit17 says: "True; if we hold a pen in the air and say: "Stay" and then we let go of it, the law of gravity will take if down in spite of my command. The same is true when it comes to try and to command human instincts, tendencies and weaknesses into subjection. The Law that governs our better judgement and the law that rules our heart and soul are in conflict from within our genes. The human organism that lives under such rule is called the flesh or the old man or the rebellious nature. The law that rules the nature of the flesh is called the law of sin and death."
Lastchance says: "However, you often get the anomaly in those we can safely categorize as moral agents- Jesus (if he existed as he is fabled to, that is), Mother Teresa, Ghandi, etc. (actually, if anyone can add to that list, please go ahead."
Benoit17 says: "I accept to try and to satisfy the "if" and offer you a way to find out for yourself that Christ-Jesus is alive with His Spirit of eternal life to give freely to anyone who is seeking with integrity and simplicity the meaning of life as you do, from any question that may come to you. I use the analogy of the pen and gravity with the flesh and the law of sin and death, when it comes to the human's old nature, because of how religions tend to work. The experience of the solution is described by saying: "There is therefore no condemnation in Christ-Jesus for the Law of the Spirit of Life has set me free from the law of sin and death." The anomalies you refer to are the ones who seek for meaning and in the quest, we get to be found by the gift of eternal life. For most of the 2000 years since the gift of the Spirit upon humanity, Christianity has gone on promising eternal life after death instead of deploying the science of eternal life here and now. That's the adversity that goes on obstructing the view and causing all the confusion and discuss in relation to the political positioning of such historic ignorance. By denying the organic experience of spiritual unity with God and one another, Christian religions closed the access to the simplicity of eternal life here and now, in favour of the Babylonian structires of "command and control". Those who tried to rise up against the lie were viewed as "enthusiasts" or some psychiatric cases of one kind or another; so long a they were shut down by the authorities.
If you are interested to test the words of Jesus and to take me up on my witness of Him to find out for yourself that Jesus-Christ lives, I invite you and anyone else to a long page I have writen, made of several short entries so that it is easy to read for 5 minutes and then to return for more later. You can see if it takes you where the veil gets lifted from our inner eyes and to receive the gift of eternal life for yourself. You might even find out that you already know somehow, from somewhere deep within you, that the gift was there all along for a long time, and that all you needed was a confirmation of such beauty and of truth and grace. May you find and enjoy your inner chamber!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A4305719
I look forward to your feedback as I write to you with genuine integrity as you do.
...all blessing be with us all...
Benoit17
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Re: Human Nature
April 5, 2006 - 10:08 AM
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In a way we moved ahead from other species, yet fell back. Our ability to feel more than simple pain, confusion, and fear has driven us to war many times. But, then again... We create wars many a time for greed, while other species of animal create them for the purpose of mates and protection. Maybe the other animals are better off than us.
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Re: Human Nature
April 17, 2006 - 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by swanny
Feb 25, 2006
Saturday
Earth
Canada
Cool
Cloudy
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I guess I have a question or a issue of inquiry.
Has Humanity changed or grown or evolved
over this time and if so how?
In your experience is or does humanity seem different
and if so how and why?
ed
hmmm !
well, 1.6% DNA difference from common chimps gave us someedge animals didnt have, that of evolving faster and wider than any other species...
In truth I could talk about this topicfor quite long but instead of boring you alll withpetty details I would rather redirect you to read Jared Diamond's books "Rise and Fall of the third chimpanzee" and "Guns Germs, and Steel"!
But in geenral we are the same animals with come superior mental abilites but not superior enough to understand where that superiority comes from 
Cheers,
H.
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The Global Social Reality
April 19, 2006 - 08:59 AM
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Well thank you all for the comments
Yet it is a tough situation.
heres some more thoughts
The Global Social Reality
Me gosh... thats tough... and complex and diverse
and dynamic... Difficult to apprehend.
Almost unmanageable well perhaps unmanageable
hence the need for Moses of the Holy Bible and various others to
impose some "simple laws or commandments" with which to ease the complexity. Yet it becomes even more complex somehow as we are born into the prefabricated framework of life, society and order without the understanding and appreciation of the subtle nuansances and historys perhaps. Born into a dynamic social order or structure that we don't have the capacity to apprehend or understand given the exceeding complexity and then throw nature in the mix and you've got our "controlled human folly" to be sure.
Can we even attempt to understand such? Hmmmmmm Can we properly appreciate such? How much of such is largely taken for granted? Apparently way to much... witness the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
Yikes....
and then we must coexist with our fellow species to boot
and we are delving into space....
Mind boggling.
Well I suppose a start would be to have Moses ten commands apply more broadly and to the planet and some of its other species as say all mammals as well.
Well we have to start some where.... to gain a sense of order or values or worth.... or perspective...
Is it merely subjective or how would the objectivity enter in?
ed
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