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February 20, 2006 - 09:32 AM
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The last tape of Osama Bin laden shows his plans of fresh attacks on the western world. This has become such a serious issue and noone will take it lightly anymore. Is there an end to this problem in the near future? I doubt it. Its such a pity that there are individuals in this world who can take lives and destroy homes in the name of god. What is the future of children affected by these attacks? Hasnt it become a global serious issue which knows no boundaries? We are free but yet not free as this terror grips our lives and the lives of so many people around the world. Youth can really make a difference by doing something.
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February 20, 2006 - 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by aquameg10
The last tape of Osama Bin laden shows his plans of fresh attacks on the western world. This has become such a serious issue and noone will take it lightly anymore. Is there an end to this problem in the near future? I doubt it. Its such a pity that there are individuals in this world who can take lives and destroy homes in the name of god. What is the future of children affected by these attacks? Hasnt it become a global serious issue which knows no boundaries? We are free but yet not free as this terror grips our lives and the lives of so many people around the world. Youth can really make a difference by doing something.
Yours is an interesting observation. On the extended remix of Papa Jihad's January Islamorant, where he was looking for a hudna, he also vows to not be captured alive. That’s fine by me, by the way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060220/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape
"I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived," bin Laden said, in the 11-minute, 26-second tape.
That’s also fine by me—just die. Preferably at the hands of U.S. special forces.
It’s a bit hypocritical though for someone such as bin Laden to speak of “living free” when his fundamentalist religious ideology would seek to keep the globe under a blanket of oppression that mirrors the world of medieval, 7th century Arabia.
Regarding humility, if one doesn't consider a harried, itinerant existence, living from cave to cave to be humiliating, more power to you, Papa Jihad. As far as deception goes, you've bought forth the obscene and absurd notion that God likes to see defenseless noncombatants slaughtered and the even more ludicrous idea that He will give you sweet, eternal 72 virgin sex after we finally hunt you down and spray you all over the cave wall. By all means, enjoy your reality.
If I may, I’d appreciate your opinion on this One Woman Fatwa Generator.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article346376.ece
I've said it once, I'll say it again now, and I'm sure I'll say it later: Islam's best hope, if not its only hope, of making the light years long journey from the Middle Ages to the modern era is the hope to be found in its women.
Meet Deeyah, a young Muslim woman who's been making a name for herself as a pop singer, as a Muslim women's rights advocate, and as a one woman mullah-infuriating machine.
http://www.deeyah.com/
A Muslim pop singer has been forced to hire bodyguards to protect her during a visit to Britain next month after she received a string of death threats from religious extremists.
US-based Deeyah is due in London next month to promote a new single and video, released tomorrow. But the track "What Will It Be?" has already outraged hardline Islamists here as it promotes women's rights.
Her performances with a clutch of male dancers and revealing outfits have also deeply offended many Muslims. In one scene in her latest video, the singer drops a burqa covering her body to reveal a bikini.
Yeah, that's a fatwa. That video, by the way, can be seen at the address below.
http://www.deeyah.com/quicktime03.htm
For posting such a blasphemous article, I’ll accept a fatwa calling for my death from anyone. Just be willing to meet me in the parking lot and we’ll settle this man to man.
Ultimately though, listen to the message she conveys:
"I had no plan to court controversy or anger people in my community. I wanted to make people think and confront my own fears as a Muslim woman," she said. Soon, though, she was dubbed "the Muslim Madonna". And then came hate mail and abuse from extremists. ...
"I receive letters and emails from women saying I am doing a good job. Putting my life at risk no longer bothers me. That so many women - Muslim women included - are abused by people in their own religion and communities does."
That's a brave young lady. Good for you, Deeyah.
The infidel world bows and scrapes when Muslims kill each other and burn down buildings in connection with harmless comics, but when a girl is threatened with all manner of violence for dressing how she pleases and for speaking her mind vis-à-vis the plight of Muslim women, it only shares copy with another story in a British lefty paper online. Islam has a bit of a proportion problem in our treatment of Islamic phenomena, to say the least.
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March 24, 2006 - 06:47 AM
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Osama Bin laden's videos r low budgets but they r much more powerful that hollywood multi-million blockbuster movies
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March 24, 2006 - 12:16 PM
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Yes Cheetaih - that is because Hollywood is entertainment. Bin Laden starts wars and is a berbaric murderer.
I am sure there would be more interest in "failure to launch" if people thought it would lead to a subway bombing in London.
To me the closest group I can find ideologically to al Qaeda is the KKK. Xenophobic, racist, viscious, with perverse ideas about religion.
What is really disturbing is that the left wing "intelligencia" seems to exerting alot of energy into rationalizing terrorism.
the rest os us just don't "understand" what "creates" a terrorist - the poor rightous terrorist is just reacting to oppression.
In fact on this website I had a kid explain to me that Islamic Jihad is a political organization - not a terrorist group. Of course when I asked him to delineate their political activities he was hard pressed to name any.
But frankly I think it is these left wing academics which lack understanding - they are simply naive - and they cannot recognise sexist, racist, violent, facists for what they are.
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March 25, 2006 - 02:45 AM
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Said Osama Bin laden was trained & work with CIA b4.
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April 1, 2006 - 12:58 PM
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During a secret summit after 9/11, President of The United State of America (Bush), Russia (Putin) and The People's Republic of China (Jiang) are discussing anti-terrorism tactics. President Bush suggested to use 3 missiles to shoot and kill Bin Laden but President Putin said it would be cheaper and better to use 3 of their beautiful female Russian Secret Agents to seduce Bin Laden into a trap and kill him.
Both Presidents are insisting their idea was the best but President Jiang suggesting a 3rd option, "Let 3 of my kung fu agents capture Bin Laden and lock him in a bunker. I prefer not to use kung fu to kill him because it is too violence. What about let my loyal agents to read my tedious arguments of 'Modern Communism with Chinese Characteristics' loudly in front of Bin Laden and bore him to death?"
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Q: Why terroist never hires a Chinese man to make terrorist attacks on America?
A: The Chinese man would take advantage of the air ticket, which is bought by the terroist. He would hide and work very hard in a Chinese restaurant or supermarket or shop after he landed in America. The terrorist attacks would never happen.
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April 19, 2006 - 12:18 PM
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Terrorism Today can been seen as a global and National Phenomenon. National groupings are able to take advantage of networks established in other countries to provide networks of support.
The questions i pose to you all:
What strategies are available to national and global entities in combating terrorism?
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Which of these strategies is the most effective and should be followed?
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OK!
April 24, 2006 - 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by netdude12
What strategies are available to national and global entities in combating terrorism?
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Which of these strategies is the most effective and should be followed?
Definately not taking things to an entirely new level by starting a war that had no cause! (Iraq War) If the US needs to be fighting a war (which it doesn't), it should be were ever Bin Laden actually is! Sadam had NO connection with 9/11 (even though he killed many innocent people). ALSO, tightening "Homeland Security" isn't really working. Spending billions of precious $$$$ and their is still poverty in the world (and in the US!). WAR IS PLAIN STUPID!
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why would anyone do this?
April 24, 2006 - 08:57 AM
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Why would anyone do this? WHY? what was the point of killing these people?? What were the killers trying to accomplish??
this is simply madness.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1B7E3152-4207-4249-8EC8-AC5A1E65C2B6.htm
"Tuesday 25 April 2006, 3:10 Makka Time, 0:10 GMT
Three bombs went off in the tourist area in Egypt's Red Sea resort of Dahab on Monday, killing at least 23 people and wounding another 62, many of them foreigners.
Ahmad Samir, a witness in Dahab, told Aljazeera on Monday: "Foreigners were scared and panicking. They were asking us where to go and how to escape."
Another witness, Hamdi Ghazala, owner of the Ghazala supermarket, told Aljazeera that the bomb was outside his shop and damaged mainly the windows and facade. No one inside was injured.
"These were very simple explosions compared to those in Sharm el-Sheikh. They were not powerful at all," he said.
The Sharm el-Sheikh attacks in July last year, which killed 67 people, involved two car bombs and a suitcase bomb that hit hotels and shopping areas.
Suicide bombings?
The governor of South Sinai, Mohamed Hani, told Reuters on Monday that the three blasts were the work of suicide bombers and not as powerful as two previous sets of three simultaneous bombings at resorts in the Sinai peninsula over the past two years.
But security sources in his province said initial investigations suggested planted explosive devices.
An Interior Ministry statement said there were 23 dead, including a German boy and two unidentified foreigners.
Rescuers carry an injured person
after the deadly blasts in Dahab
The 62 wounded included 20 foreigners, among them three Danes, three Britons, two Italians, two Germans, two French people, a South Korean, a Lebanese, a Palestinian, an American, an Israeli and an Australian, it added.
Dahab is also popular with Israeli holidaymakers but officials in neighbouring Israel said they were unaware of any Israeli casualties.
Rescue officials said earlier they had counted 30 dead and other officials had said up to 150 were injured.
"The explosions were a bit weaker than the previous ones but now they are using suicide attacks," said Hani.
The bombs wrecked several restaurants along the main tourist street in the small resort. Windows and furniture were smashed and pools of blood lay on the floor. People had abandoned the restaurant in mid-meal and fled the scene.
Shops destroyed
In the bazaar, which sells souvenirs, handicrafts and jewellery, one of the blasts destroyed at least eight shops.
Residents said they saw body parts and debris outside a restaurant and that when the bombs went off at about 7.15pm (1715 GMT) smoke billowed up from the market in Dahab, a beach and diving centre popular with foreign backpackers.
The wrecked fish stall of one of
the restaurants hit by the blasts
"We saw many dead people. People were screaming. People were being taken to hospital. There are police everywhere," said a cafe worker near the scene of one explosion, who like many other witnesses requested anonymity.
One Dahab resident said: "There were body parts and debris in the street ... There are ambulances and cars taking people to hospital."
The blasts, on the ancient Egyptian spring festival of Shamm el-Nessim, hit the Nelson Restaurant, the Aladdin cafe and the Ghazala supermarket, the Interior Ministry said.
It was the third set of explosions on the eastern coast of the Sinai peninsula since October 2004, when a group attacked the Hilton hotel in the resort of Taba and two other resorts on the northeast coast, killing 34 people.
Past attacks
Egyptian authorities said a closely related group attacked again in the upmarket resort of Sharm el-Sheikh last year. Those attacks were also on Egyptian national holidays - October 6 and July 23.
Residents say that judging from the evidence they saw in the streets, the explosions were smaller than those in Sharm el-Sheikh and Taba and were not the result of car bombs.
Egyptian authorities attributed the Taba and Sharm el-Sheikh attacks to a small Sinai-based group originally led by a man of Palestinian origin and with radical Islamist views.
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April 25, 2006 - 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by luke
On that not MNOPQ - I think you should take a look at this -
Hamas has always been, and apranatly still is, a destabilizing force in the region. They just got caught trying to perpetrate terrorism in Jordan.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/95EAE8F7-0AD4-4141-A144-8465882493EE.htm
Jordan has said that a group of Hamas militants arrested last week were close to staging attacks inside the kingdom on orders from the Palestinian group's Syrian-based leadership.
"Security interrogations with the detained suspects had proven they received instructions to execute operations from leaders of Hamas and specifically one of the military officials of Hamas currently based in Syria," Nasser Joudeh, the government spokesman, told Reuters on Tuesday.
"They (the attacks) had reached a stage of implementation targeting installations and people in Jordan," he said.
Joudeh, who did not disclose how many Hamas activists were arrested last week, said one of the detainees had led security officials to a hideout near the border with Syria in northern Jordan where large quantities of weapons and rocket launchers were found.
Jordan said last week that rocket launchers and explosives seized from a Hamas arms cache in the kingdom had been smuggled from Syria, where Hamas's exiled leadership is based.
Hamas denied the accusations, saying it has never targeted Jordan or any country other than Israel.
Meshaal has been based in Syria
since Jordan expelled him
US ally Jordan has over the years accused Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups opposed to Middle East peacemaking of plotting attacks inside the kingdom or trying to smuggle arms to launch attacks against Israel from its territory.
A security official told Reuters that although there was concern that the activists and the smuggled weapons had come from Syria, there was no proof that Damascus condoned such activities.
Hamas leaders have had a rocky relationship over the years with Amman, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994 and has strong security cooperation with its western neighbour.
Jordanian officials privately support US-led efforts to isolate the Hamas government diplomatically and financially unless it embraces Middle East peacemaking.
Khaled Meshaal, Hamas's politburo chief and a Jordanian citizen, was expelled in 1999 with other leaders after a crackdown on the group.
Meshaal, who is the overall leader of the group along with leading Jordanian members, has been based in Syria since he was expelled.
Hamas has a large following in refugee camps across Jordan, a country that is host to the largest number of Palestinian refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza.
HERES A FACT: THERE HASN'T BEEN A DAY WITHOUT A SUICIDE BOMB OR A KILLING (Iraq/Terror war related)! THATS SAD!!!! We need to ACT!
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ONE MORE THING!
April 25, 2006 - 02:34 AM
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I also want to tell people that there is petition against the war (started by Youth for Change International, the org I am involved in). The link is:
www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1yfcinternational
(ALSO, you can join the organization that is against the war at www.freewebs.com/youthforchange)
REALLY INTERESTING THREAD! -Zach
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April 25, 2006 - 08:19 AM
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Fundamentalism, radicalism and in general any fanatism, especially in religion, in their extreme forms, don't give many explanations on acts of violence and human rights violations...
One cannot find the reason, but in heads of those who committed the crime, and even then the reason migth be easily dissipated even for those, if one clarifies or makes them aware of certain types of information which was beyond their knowledge when they undertook what they did...
Luke, human violence is an animal thing...Lions, wolfs, gorrilaz all kill each other for obvious (food, females) and unknown reasons... So do humans, cause we are but animals...
The only difference is the means of killing at disposition of humans and their consequences...
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April 25, 2006 - 12:23 PM
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On that not MNOPQ - I think you should take a look at this -
Hamas has always been, and apranatly still is, a destabilizing force in the region. They just got caught trying to perpetrate terrorism in Jordan.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/95EAE8F7-0AD4-4141-A144-8465882493EE.htm
Jordan has said that a group of Hamas militants arrested last week were close to staging attacks inside the kingdom on orders from the Palestinian group's Syrian-based leadership.
"Security interrogations with the detained suspects had proven they received instructions to execute operations from leaders of Hamas and specifically one of the military officials of Hamas currently based in Syria," Nasser Joudeh, the government spokesman, told Reuters on Tuesday.
"They (the attacks) had reached a stage of implementation targeting installations and people in Jordan," he said.
Joudeh, who did not disclose how many Hamas activists were arrested last week, said one of the detainees had led security officials to a hideout near the border with Syria in northern Jordan where large quantities of weapons and rocket launchers were found.
Jordan said last week that rocket launchers and explosives seized from a Hamas arms cache in the kingdom had been smuggled from Syria, where Hamas's exiled leadership is based.
Hamas denied the accusations, saying it has never targeted Jordan or any country other than Israel.
Meshaal has been based in Syria
since Jordan expelled him
US ally Jordan has over the years accused Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups opposed to Middle East peacemaking of plotting attacks inside the kingdom or trying to smuggle arms to launch attacks against Israel from its territory.
A security official told Reuters that although there was concern that the activists and the smuggled weapons had come from Syria, there was no proof that Damascus condoned such activities.
Hamas leaders have had a rocky relationship over the years with Amman, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994 and has strong security cooperation with its western neighbour.
Jordanian officials privately support US-led efforts to isolate the Hamas government diplomatically and financially unless it embraces Middle East peacemaking.
Khaled Meshaal, Hamas's politburo chief and a Jordanian citizen, was expelled in 1999 with other leaders after a crackdown on the group.
Meshaal, who is the overall leader of the group along with leading Jordanian members, has been based in Syria since he was expelled.
Hamas has a large following in refugee camps across Jordan, a country that is host to the largest number of Palestinian refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza.
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April 27, 2006 - 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by luke
On that not MNOPQ - I think you should take a look at this -
Hamas has always been, and apranatly still is, a destabilizing force in the region. They just got caught trying to perpetrate terrorism in Jordan.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/95EAE8F7-0AD4-4141-A144-8465882493EE.htm
Jordan has said that a group of Hamas militants arrested last week were close to staging attacks inside the kingdom on orders from the Palestinian group's Syrian-based leadership.
"Security interrogations with the detained suspects had proven they received instructions to execute operations from leaders of Hamas and specifically one of the military officials of Hamas currently based in Syria," Nasser Joudeh, the government spokesman, told Reuters on Tuesday.
"They (the attacks) had reached a stage of implementation targeting installations and people in Jordan," he said.
Joudeh, who did not disclose how many Hamas activists were arrested last week, said one of the detainees had led security officials to a hideout near the border with Syria in northern Jordan where large quantities of weapons and rocket launchers were found.
Jordan said last week that rocket launchers and explosives seized from a Hamas arms cache in the kingdom had been smuggled from Syria, where Hamas's exiled leadership is based.
Hamas denied the accusations, saying it has never targeted Jordan or any country other than Israel.
Meshaal has been based in Syria
since Jordan expelled him
US ally Jordan has over the years accused Damascus-based radical Palestinian groups opposed to Middle East peacemaking of plotting attacks inside the kingdom or trying to smuggle arms to launch attacks against Israel from its territory.
A security official told Reuters that although there was concern that the activists and the smuggled weapons had come from Syria, there was no proof that Damascus condoned such activities.
Hamas leaders have had a rocky relationship over the years with Amman, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994 and has strong security cooperation with its western neighbour.
Jordanian officials privately support US-led efforts to isolate the Hamas government diplomatically and financially unless it embraces Middle East peacemaking.
Khaled Meshaal, Hamas's politburo chief and a Jordanian citizen, was expelled in 1999 with other leaders after a crackdown on the group.
Meshaal, who is the overall leader of the group along with leading Jordanian members, has been based in Syria since he was expelled.
Hamas has a large following in refugee camps across Jordan, a country that is host to the largest number of Palestinian refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza.
hey Luke,
Did i ever praise or condone Hamas' activities , most particularly suicide bombings? NO!
Read on
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/301439A7-2B31-40F6-913F-98123E8AE2E0.htm
"Mahmoud Abbas also warned the Hamas-led government that it had little choice but to negotiate with Israel..."
or that Abbas is trying to do something about it at least in difference from Olmert who cleanly refuses to talk to Hamas led government...
read on:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/31B6ECB2-380B-4177-8121-F08B4355681A.htm
"The Palestinian president has called for an international conference to help resolve the conflict with Israel and says the Hamas-led government will not impede talks..."
This shows Abbas' resolve to dosomething to take the Palestinian people out of the isolation "bestowed" as a consequence by its choice of Hamas as a governing party
If we have as much effort from Israel and some international mediation then hopefully things will advance towards a possible peace..
H.
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April 27, 2006 - 03:56 AM
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Not suggesting that you did -
just thought it need to be pointed out.
Abbas has earned my great respect in recent months - I think the Israelis should have supported him more before the election - it was a big mistake.
I understand the Israelis don't see him as really being able to negotiate because he doesn't really have control of the govenrment -
BUT I think they should take him up on the negotiation - his offer to find a peace deal under the supervision of the big 4.
They should take him up on it and then let him take the solution directly to the Palestinians in a refferendum - screw Hamas.
And the US should lean on the Israelis to talk to directly to him.
I was also very heartened to see Abbas veto the Hamas appointment of a known terrorist to run the security services as this would have sharply escalated things.
my point in showing the article to you was to point out how Hamas is looking to make trouble in a number of different directions - and I hope Abbas has a crack security detail around him.
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