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Science in Quran
February 5, 2006 - 05:03 AM
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peace,
The Qur’an is the Book of Allah (God) that was revealed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) over a period of twenty-three years. He dictated it to his followers as he received it from the Angel Jibril (Gabriel), and they wrote it down on whatever materials were available. The Prophet and many of his followers memorized it as it was revealed.
The Qur’an consists of 114 surahs (sometimes called chapters) of various lengths, from 3 to 286 verses. The verses were revealed a few at a time and not in their present order but were placed in their position by the Prophet in accordance to instructions from the Angel Jibril.
Someone who is familiar with the Bible might expect the Qur’an to be similar, but will be surprised to find that it is not. It is not a narrative or a collection of rules or a hymnal or a science book, yet it contains elements of all these things and more.
The Qur’an speaks of the nature of Allah, man’s relationship with Allah, and man’s relationship with others. The Qur’an has a unique style that moves from one topic to another, interweaving various themes, moving from the specific to the general and back again. For this reason, calling the surahs “chapters” is really a misnomer, for a chapter deals with one theme. The word “surah” is unique to the Qur’an.
The Qur’an contains, among other things, glimpses of the stories of previous prophets but, with the exception of Prophet Yusuf (Joseph), does not tell each story in one unbroken narrative. Rather, in various places it relates certain details and asks us to reflect on their significance.
One of the most amazing thing is Quran is the scientific facts that Quran talked (more than 1400 years ago !!) about and the scientists just discovered now or before several year only
try to see this website :
http://salimashrafi1.tripod.com/salimashrafi/id11.html
and
http://www.thedaughterofthenile.com/
and there is much more !! you can search the internet if you are interested
take care all
peace,
*&^~~~SAM~~~^&*
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 03:55 AM
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<<the>>
I think the way you put it is even more absurd. A basic knowledge of Arabic language is necessary in order for anyone to interpret the Qur'an. Needles to say that a knowledge of the "causes of revelation" is more and more important regarding this subject, in order to know what verses have figurative meanings and what verses have not.
The Qur'anic texts are the same everywhere, but the interpretations aren't. And as long as the same words may have lots of interpretations, it's absurd to stick to one of them as being the only acceptable one.
Christianity is a matter, and Islam is a different one; it's a system of life containing science, religion, worldly affairs, art, spirituality, and renewal patterns, not just a secret individual relationship between man and Divine...(No offense to Christendom)
I think the name you have chosen for urself describes the way you depict Islam more than enough...however, it's your own choice as long as you do not act offensively...
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 06:25 AM
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Ayman - I don't think he meant offense - but lets be frank - it is the inability of the Islamic world to seperate science from religion that has lead to the technological decline of the Muslim world.
The second Europe managed to tear science free of the grasp of the church is the moment that Europe started to advance by leaps and bounds in technology.
Philosophy, spirituality - these are the provences of Religion - when it starts reaching into Science it becomes a serious problem - the idea that everything there was to know about the physical world was revealed thousands of years ago is absurd.
We are having this issue now in America - Christians trying to parade Creationism as science "intelligent design" - they call it a "theory" as though someones opinion made something a theory - as though experimentation and evidence are not cornerstones of sceintific theory.
And basically they are trying to introduce something that is not science - into science classrooms.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 06:49 AM
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Yes Ayman - I do understand that Islam was the center of scientific learning when Europe was in the dark ages.
And as we discussed previously the shunning of the Printing Press was a monumental issue in the decline of the middle-east because literacy and the free interchange of ideas exploded in Europe and remained a privlidge of the elite in the Middle-east.
But - 2 points.
1 is that science did not REALLY exist during this period you are discussing because the Sceintific Method was not created until the 15th century.
Before that were was little real science of any kind beyond mathmatics - (like Aristotles physics and Ptolomy's astronomy - these were really pseudo sciences.)
But regardless there were amazing Arabic mathematicians and writers etc.
"how do we know what is science?? Science is supposed to not be wrong or ever proven wrong. Most of what I see now a days are assumptions and if not proven wrong for a while they become accepted theories." - Sarah
Science is provable by experimentation. If it is not falsifyible and provable by experiment it is not real science and if a theory is not testible it is not a real theory it is a hypothesis.
I think what you are really talking about is an erosion in the symantics - where every idea is called a "theory" when that is not actually what it is.
Also Sarah - the Qu'ran is not 14,000 years old - did you mean 1400?
Ayman - lets see if we can find some common ground - lets agree that the PROBLEM with mixing religion and science is that it lends scientific authority to religious authorities who really understand little of science.
Because every religion is dominated by religious authorities - and just as Catholic Clergy were a regressive force against the advance of science in the West - Immams and Clerics of Islam were a regressive force against the advance of science in the Middle-east.
Take the issue of the Printing Press - I doubt there is anything in the Qu-ran which prohibits it - but the religious authorities in the Middle-east were the ones who did.
Whenever religious authorities are given reign to interfere with scientific affairs it is always a negative thing.
THIS has certainly been a problem in the middle-east.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 06:53 AM
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Well Luke,
I really appreciate your comments, but I feel that you try to attribute what happened in medieval Christian Europe to what's happenning today in the Muslim world.
You see that Christianity Vs Science is same as Religion Vs Science and same as Islam Vs Science.
I don't see it this way...each period and each region has its own context; and even Christianity and Islam are not the same:
It happened already that Islam and science worked together during the European dark ages; Baghdad and Cordoba were the world's largest scientific centers.
It was when the Ottomans took control over the Middle East in the early 1500s that things began to change; schools were closed, scientists and craftsmen were send to Constantinople, farmlands were abandoned, traveling was porhibited, western ink-printing was regarded as a malicious invention, Christians were regarded as "slaves", people were executed on metal piles, all official services were turkifized (employing Turkish language instead of Arabic), and Ottoman ultra-rigid and ultra-extremist interpretations of the Shari'ah were violently put in action for four decades, marking the Muslim dark-ages. What the Ottomans committed is never justified in any Islamic source.
I believe that we are in our present situation because we have been applying something else other than true Islam over the past 500 years...
+ You can't change the fact that we believe that the Qur'an is -as we say- valid for any time and place 
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by luke
it is the inability of the Islamic world to seperate science from religion that has lead to the technological decline of the Muslim world.
The second Europe managed to tear science free of the grasp of the church is the moment that Europe started to advance by leaps and bounds in technology.
Good point but you know Luke, how many Muslims are living their lives now a days is not exactly the best portrayal of Islam. That would have to be the early Muslims and back then, they were the leaders of Science. They developed the first medical schools and opened the first medical schools in Paris and other places. And also made great accomplishments in astrology and other fields. The decline in not technology in some areas of the Muslim world now a days (amongst other thinsg) is due to other factors.
Originally posted by luke
Philosophy, spirituality - these are the provences of Religion - when it starts reaching into Science it becomes a serious problem - the idea that everything there was to know about the physical world was revealed thousands of years ago is absurd.
And basically they are trying to introduce something that is not science - into science classrooms.
But that’s the things, how do we know what is science?? Science is supposed to not be wrong or ever proven wrong. Most of what I see now a days are assumptions and if not proven wrong for a while they become accepted theories. And many of those theories later end up being proved wrong. What Muslims refer to when we talk about science in the Qur’an are mostly about embryology, astrology and other things which were explained in great detail 14,000 years ago before anyone else discovered it. I know that for a fact pertaining to embryology.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 07:50 AM
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First of all Al-Kafir (cute name btw) don’t feel that I am trying to convert you or anything. I don’t think anyone else is but I can only speak on my behalf.
“The Qu'ran's proclamations do not avail themselves to even these simplistic proofs-- they do not avail themselves to any proofs -- just the say-so of one group of people that what they say is the truth. “
You say you have read the Qur’an but with that statement, I feel otherwise. I don’t know if I was an actual atheist but I wasn’t convinced that there was god and the whole idea of being judged and being sent to heaven/hell seemed soo mythological and wasn’t appealing to me. It was actually the scientific evidence in the Qur’an was the reason why I had accepted Islam.
“Faith is needed only when reason fails.”
I disagree. I see faith as believing without having materialistic evidence. In some cases meaning actually seeing God Himself and having Him convince you that He is God. And science increases faith (in my outlook).
“gods must learn that in order to be accepted, they must tell us something we can verify that we don't already know”
That is evident in the Qur’an and Hadiths. Back then people did not believe the earth was spherical in shape and I bet that was a big deal when it turned out it was.
“All of what you’re suggesting (science in the Quran), is observational; nothing there is divine.”
But isn’t part of being able to see something makes it divine? Because if something was said and you can’t see it, how would u believe it?
“Why didn't Allah say, "Now We hath created pi, which is an irrational number and hath no ending?" Why didn't he say, "And lo, We hath created quantum singularities" or something precise? Why are all these pronouncements od science explainable in other ways?”
Allah already said why. Because (according to Islam) He has create people and know everything about us. He knows we are very spectacle creatures. In the Qur’an, it states “…if you were to seek a tunnel into the earth or a ladder into the skies and bring them a sign, (they still wouldn’t be convinced.) If it were Allahs’ will. He could gather them all to true guidance, do don’t be amongst those who are influenced by ignorance.” (6:35) I feel content that the Qur’an provides sufficient evidence but probably not enough as people would want. And that where faith itself comes in.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 07:57 AM
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Yes Ayman - I do understand that Islam was the center of scientific learning when Europe was in the dark ages.
And as we discussed previously the shunning of the Printing Press was a monumental issue in the decline of the middle-east because literacy and the free interchange of ideas exploded in Europe and remained a privlidge of the elite in the Middle-east.
But - 2 points.
1 is that science did not REALLY exist during this period you are discussing because the Sceintific Method was not created until the 15th century.
Before that were was little real science of any kind beyond mathmatics - (like Aristotles physics and Ptolomy's astronomy - these were really pseudo sciences.)
But regardless there were amazing Arabic mathematicians and writers etc.
"how do we know what is science?? Science is supposed to not be wrong or ever proven wrong. Most of what I see now a days are assumptions and if not proven wrong for a while they become accepted theories." - Sarah
Science is provable by experimentation. If it is not falsifyible and provable by experiment it is not real science and if a theory is not testible it is not a real theory it is a hypothesis.
I think what you are really talking about is an erosion in the symantics - where every idea is called a "theory" when that is not actually what it is.
Also Sarah - the Qu'ran is not 14,000 years old - did you mean 1400?
Ayman - lets see if we can find some common ground - lets agree that the PROBLEM with mixing religion and science is that it lends scientific authority to religious authorities who really understand little of science.
Because every religion is dominated by religious authorities - and just as Catholic Clergy were a regressive force against the advance of science in the West - Immams and Clerics of Islam were a regressive force against the advance of science in the Middle-east.
Take the issue of the Printing Press - I doubt there is anything in the Qu-ran which prohibits it - but the religious authorities in the Middle-east were the ones who did.
Whenever religious authorities are given reign to interfere with scientific affairs it is always a negative thing.
THIS has certainly been a problem in the middle-east.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by al-kafir
In a real sense, “Islam’s” past history is one of conquest by the sword that swept a wide path of death and destruction and left in its wake, a legacy of poverty and misery. “Islam’s” once vaunted ascendancy was only accomplished at the expense of it’s conquered foes, and Islam only advanced intellectually and scientifically due to it being flush with the plunder of recent conquest. Subsequent to Islam’s rapid expansion into recently conquered territories and Arab/Muslims were forced to be dependent on being innovative and productive on their own, they quickly discovered that they were not able to do so.
Yea, believe that if you want. I don’t deny that there was an period when Islam was spread by force in some parts of the middle east (and that’s a sin if u knew the least bit about Islam) but that’s not the era I am referring to.
"What wee see is precisely the opposite. What we see is an entire culture that defines itself through hate and threats. What we see are Arab/Muslim societies in disarray and crumbling from within. We see Arabs/Muslims fleeing to the West to once again steal the innovations and intellectual devises created in the West as their own societies are wholly unable to compete in the modern world. Along with this exodus to the modern West comes the inevitable accompaniment of hate and intolerance that defines Arab/Muslim societies."
You really contradicted yourself there ..” For a society to advance, there needs to be an underlying acceptance of innovation, of acceptance and tolerance and the ability to adapt and change. None of these qualities are evident in the Islamic world today.” ….. “We see Arabs/Muslims fleeing to the West to once again steal the innovations and intellectual devises” So if Arabs/Muslims are reluctant to change, why are they ‘fleeing’ to the west? As so you know, most technology is developed in China and India, don’t boast on the west too much.
“Along with this exodus to the modern West comes the inevitable accompaniment of hate and intolerance that defines Arab/Muslim societies. “
You apparently don’t know much about Muslims and Arabs and the Middle Eastern societies. Let me first clear something up for you, not all Arabs are Muslims. Secondly, why do u feel that all Muslims/Arabs hate the west? I am half Arab and a Muslim, do I hate the west?? No, because this is my country. Even those who migrated here, move here because there are more opportunities. I would inform you to be more accomidating and have an open mind about people other than your own kind and give the time of day to get to know others. You come off as really offensive just so you know and that offensiveness seems as a result of lack of knowledge on varies subject matters or maybe you have had bad experience in the past with Muslims and/or Arabs and i am not saying this to be meanor put u down in anyway. And again, don’t boast about the west, it has it’s major flaws also just like other areas of the word.
“Wherever did you get the idea that “Science is supposed to not be wrong or ever proven wrong” The great thing about science is that it flexes as new information comes in. “
Your questioning that?? Well if that’s the beauty of science being that its so flexible, then it’s highly an inaccurate source of reliance. Your view on science is that it’s can change, my view is that it has to be concrete and that is the main factor of why it is dependable.
“But if a scientific tenet is proven absolutely false, then the truth must supplant the fiction. the only way to do this is to provide evidence for the new paradigm (lately, black holes have undergone a tremendous amount of study and a lot of information is pouring in about them, changing what we knew about their nature). None of this is pompousness or arrogance; it's the discipline of knowledge, plain and simple. “
I agree with you on that. We need something solid and is true. And in teh end we end up feeling lost and like fools. It's up to us to find what life is about and it's our decision alone to make.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 08:47 AM
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“I didn't feel that you were trying to convert me. You're stating your opinions in an honest and open way. I appreciate that. “
I am a very honest open person and I never mean any harm, am glad u appreciate it.
”I thought the name (Al-Kafir), would get attention. “
It got mine
”Onward goes the endless debate about which book is “right”. My opinion is that the greatest fear the theist has is to possibly admit that none of them are right and they are all devices of authority to control the populace for which they were written, which is why in all of them human desires and ethics generally hold sway.”
You are right that it is probably one of the biggest fears for a theist to admit their religion might have flaws. That’s why to many people religion is a very touchy subject because there is a lot of insecurity. And in Islam, we believe the Torah, Gospel and Bible is a book from God but in it’s original format. But that’s another discussion, will explain later.
”Why a book of god? Why not the message aloft in the sky, always before us, unaltered by the “corruptive” hand of man— in no single language but understandable by all, even children, even before they can read? Imagine—unaltered, no dispute—clear knowledge that something beyond the natural world communicates with us mere mortals! Why not the words emblazoned in our minds-- a common hardwired realization not needing external verification but no two people could ever utter a conflicting phrase, just like none of us use our ears to see light (we all use our eyes to see light-- this is hardwired into us). Just a couple of suggestions by a "mere mortal" that escapes the ability of all the collective powers of all the gods ever claimed to have existed...”
LOL..i think of the same things sometimes. But I guess that’s the purpose of faith and the test of life. We can’t always get what we want or get it how we want it to exactly be. And there are reasons why things are the way they are even if we don’t agree with it.
”The Flood may be a metaphor, but the Virgin birth a reality. Creationism may be symbolic, but Jesus really rose from the dead. Mohammed rose to heaven on a golden staircase… all these all literally true? How do you know?”
I think that would have to be with common sense and to rely on whether things are literal or metaphorical, you have to read it in it’s original text. When books are translated, they lose a lot of the original means and the tone itself.
You have a lot of questions. Which is a good thing in a sense that you think about your life and try to make logic of everything. It can be a bad thing if your stubborn on something trivial. But your questions are valid (for the most part). I understand where you are coming from. Finding a way of life and living life isn’t easy especially since we have loads of obstacles in the way. I would say to everyone to live their lives with right intentions. Just do everything with a good heart and you can’t go wrong that way.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by luke
Science is provable by experimentation. If it is not falsifyible and provable by experiment it is not real science and if a theory is not testible it is not a real theory it is a hypothesis.
I think what you are really talking about is an erosion in the symantics - where every idea is called a "theory" when that is not actually what it is.
Also Sarah - the Qu'ran is not 14,000 years old - did you mean 1400?
Did i type 14,000?? My apologize, i meant 1400.
Back to science, thats what i am talking about. A lot of newly developed ideas are tested on for a period of time as if not proven wrong it becomes a scientific law. And later many ends up being proven false. To me, science is very important. Because it's real and it's true. But how do I know what is true and what to rely on? There r so many opposing views on the same subject like coffee and alcohol. Some say that we should have a portion of alcohol everyday because it's scientifically proven to do so and so. And another doctor comes out stating that alcohol contains a lot of sugar and clogs arteries, etc. You would think that the issue of what alcohol does to teh body whould be simple but apprently is not. Anyway, my point being, time has changed and technology is so advanced, how can it be judged what is right in the world of science?
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Re: Science in Quran
February 6, 2006 - 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by al-kafir
The point is there is a flexibility built into science methodology that allows for fact to over ride dogma, human fallibility notwithstanding. I would say there is quite a bit of difference between two scientists disagreeing on mechanisms of evolution, versus the Catholic church taking 500+ years to remove Galileo from their list of "criminals". The "grounding" of religion is its assertions, and my contention is that undemonstrated assertion itself is where lies the problem
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There are facts that overide some religiouse creeds and they should be welcomed. If you base a way of life on scientific evidence, then u should go all the way with it.
But relying purely on every scientific 'discovery' is taking things to the extreme because ppl make mistakes and a lot of scientific laws were made on mistakes. But science should always be welcomed and not prohibited as in the case of Galileo Gallie. The issue is, how flexible can science be?
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Re: Science in Quran
February 7, 2006 - 07:09 AM
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Luke,
the type of religious authority that hampers scientific innovations did not exist during the Abbasid Baghdad or the Umayyad Cordoba. People like the M'utazilites were almost atheists, and philosphers like Ibn-Sina, Al-Ma'arri, and Al-Farabi were publicly expressing their materialistic thoughts. Hence, It was natural for Baghdad and Cordoba to be the world's scientific centers by the time European inquisitions burned scientists alive for "blasphemy".
The world "Islamic authority" itself is different from "religious authority" if we consider that Islam is a system of life.
If Marxism considers that the communist economic, social and political models to be its framework, the same could be applied to capitalism, Islam, and whatever you might think of...it's a civil authority with an Islamic reference...completely like Muhammad's rule in Medina, where Jews coexisted with Muslims (It's advisable to read the script of the "Sahifa" signed between Muslims and Jews of Medina).
<<Hi>> - says al-kafir
First, my name is Ayman H. El-Hakea, not Sam.
I see you're talking too much about the violence that took place during the Islamic expansion. I just wanted to comment on that particular issue.
1) The Muslim presence in Spain lasted for 8 centuries, during which Muslims, Jews, and Christians coexisted. Even the famous Maimonedes (Mosha Ben-Maymon) was the Qadi (Mayor) of Cordoba.
2) After the reconquista took control over Spain, on the aftermath of the Battle of Las Navas de Toloza, Spanish Jews preferred to travel to the Muslim Constantinople than to remain under Christian inquisitions.
3) In South-East Asia, including Indonesia (The world's most populous Muslim country) and west Africa, Islam found its way through preaching and not through military conquests.
4) Islam sets clear measures by which warriors should abide during battles -Sarah mentioned them I think - , unlike what happened during the era of slave-trade, the South-African Aparthied, the ethnic cleansing of Bosnians and Albanians, the European bloody colonization of the third world, and the extermination of Aborigins and Amerindians.
5) In order to have a clear picture of how true Muslims act during battles, one should refer to the Muslim role model: Muhammad (s), and not the Ottomans or anyone else who desecreated the message of Islam.
6) Nazism was a natural embryo of the materialistic non-spiritual post-modernist school of thinking, by virtue of philosophers like Heidegger and Nietzche.
7) You're complaining about "Holy Books" as being not superntural. Muslims think that the Qur'an is supernatural due to many facts:
- Historically speaking, the Arabic language of the Qur'an, in terms of the sentence arrangements, the use of few words to refer to huge topics, the unusual flow of sentences that was unknown during the Jahiliyya (where only poems with defined rythms had existed), added to the fact that Arabs were considered to be extraordinary speakers, and that language was their primary field of interest....The Qur'an challenged them in the field of their expertise, and many Arabs entered into Islam just after listening to a couple of verses, even those who did not believe Muhammad, like Abu-Jahl and Abu-Lahab, they admitted that something not human (magic or jinn) brought this Qur'an.
- There's only ONE Qur'an, for Sunnis, Shi'ites, Druze, Mu'tazilites, Kharijites, Isma'ilites,Zaydis,....etc
...just ONE book, just ONE version.
- You should always know that some Muslims today -including me- believe that citizenship rights, women's rights, technological improvements, mutual respect and tolerance, freedom of expression, and international reltions exist within an Islamic framework.
- You won't believe me if I tell you that my family is hosting a Danish student for five months, as a measure to fix our portrayed image in the west.
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Re: Science in Quran
February 7, 2006 - 07:54 AM
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@ al-kafir
I've been watching u post but not respodin till now.
I don't blame you for becoming an atheist, you were probably, if I may venture, taught all your life that the Bible is the word of God and don't read the Koran.
This deleted your options except to become an atheist, I agree with your site and I think you are very open minded intelligent people.
My concern is that all the things that drove you to be atheist in the Bible, are also opposed in the Koran, in the Koran, God assures you that Those who tampered with the Bible, those who drove you to be atheist are burning in hell.
There are over 127 references to science in the Koran, all proved true by Christians Doctors and Scientist who then converted.
many things about the Koran prove no human could have written it, the coposition of the language for 1, but for the future generations to accept the truth, God gives us signs for example, the Qur’an makes reference to the fact that a human’s painreceptors are located in the skin (Al-Nissa(4):56).
That the frontallobes of the brain are responsible for lying and sin (Al-Alak(96):16).That mountains have below them roots that extend deep into the earth’ssurface and stabalize the earth’s crust as confirmed by the modernscience of Isostasy (Al-Naba(78):7, Luqman(31):10).
That there exists aphysical barrier between bodies of fresh and salt water (Al-Rahman(55):20). There is also information regarding the formation of milk incows (Al-Nahi(16):66). And much more. So where was Muhammad (pbuh)getting all of these scientific facts if not from the Creator of mankindand the universe? Allah Almighty askes:
"Is this sorcery or is it that you do not see?" The noble Qur’an, Al-Tur (52):15.
Through out the Koran, it encourages you to seek knowledge;
"And the firmament(sky) We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it" Koran (51):47.
"Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were fusedthen We ripped them asunder, and We created from water every livingthing, do they not believe?" Koran (21):30.
"Then He settled/equilibrated unto the firmament(sky) when it was smokeand said unto it and to the earth: come willingly or unwillingly. Theysaid: we come willingly" Koran (41):11.
Allah Almighty has in these three concise verses answered questions thatit has taken some of the greatest physicists and astronomers of historycenturies to answer. In 1915, Albert Einstein had published the famous general theory of relativity. Soon afterward he proposed a static model of the universe, but he would later declare that it was "one of the greatest mistakes of my career."
Why?, Because in 1925, Edwin Hubble (after who the Hubble Space telescope is named) provided the observational evidence for the expansion of the universe, or asStephen Hawking put it "The universe is not static, as had previously been thought, it was expanding."
Although mankind did not discover these facts till this 20th Century,still, we find that Allah Almighty had provided the answers for mankind 1400 years ago in the Koran through the agency of His illiterate ProphetMuhammad (pbuh).
At the present time, the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe is the cosmological model most widely accepted by astronomers. It holdsthat about 20,000,000,000 years ago the universe began with theexplosive expansion of a single, extremely condensed state of matter("the heavens and the earth were fused then we ripped them asunder" .
As mentioned above, a further development of this model, known as "inflationary theory," describes the original condensed matter asarising from virtually empty space.
It was only after the development of radio telescopes in 1937 AD that the necessary observational precision was achieved in order for astronomers to arrive at the aboveconclusion. Out of the observations of such scientists has arisen theso called "Hubble Constant" (Ho) which is quantity currently used to gauge the rate at which the universe is expanding.
The verse then goes on to say that Allah Almighty created the heavensand the earth from a celestial "smoke." Astronomers today have picturesof galaxies being formed by exactly this process, i.e. the condensation of spiraling celestial "mists." Isn’t it an incredible coincidence that an illiterate man from the desert, without the aid of observatories orsatellite imaging was making these claims over 1400 years ago?.
Was he just guessing? Further, the cosmic phenomenon depicted in the following two figures is commonly referred to by astronomists as a cosmic "mist." However, if wewere to read the second verse of the Qur’an presented above we will findthat the Qur’an more accurately refers to it as a "smoke." This isbecause "mist" implies a cool and tranquil spray of water.
"And those who have been given knowledge know that that which has been revealed to you from your Lord is the Truth" Koran (34):6"Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care) or are there locks upon their hearts?" Koran(47):24"
Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together then we split them asunder, and we created from water every living thing, do they not believe?" Koran (21):30.
The majority of Mecca were atheits, who witnessed the Truth of the Koran. As far as Heaven and Hell are concerned, The Koran is a repellant or Hell, Hell is something Satin wants us to go to, we naturally believe in heaven or hell otherwise many would not die screaming or happy, the Believer believes that the earth is a bridge to heaven, the disbeliever dies in fear.
Your sister in Islam, Katayon.
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Re: Science in Quran
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Actually the posts are too long and too many to be read all at once, but I am intrested in al-kafir last post.
1- I read the bible (oT & NT) and never find any mentioning about the mono-block, or the Big-Bang theory, but even if there is, Muslims accept that there were previous holy revelations from God before Quraan, and if this mentioning of Big-Bang theory in these revelations, it is a proof on the existence of God.
2- You replied to some of the scientific facts discovered in the 20th century, that they were known long ago, easy to notice, or whatever. I find this a little bit strange, because even Muslims were unaware of the meaning of these verses, until they facts were proven later on, Muslims used to say Allah (God) knows best.
3- There are some things in Quraan that were recently discovered, and were mentioned differently in the other holy books, and proven later on to be true, if Quraan was a fabrication, then it would have followed the sources previous to it, not to differ with them, and then accidentally the difference becomes true. For instance, the mentionning of the location of Noah's Ark, the Bible mentions it on the mount Ararat, but it was discovered 2 kms away from it, on the mount Judi, and this is the exact location the Ark was found (So how about Prophet Noah too, do you consider it a fairy tale?? Even though it was found?). The mentioned City of Eram, for long time Muslims never knew what the name meant, is it a city, or a peron, or metaphore, and then 25 years ago, the city was discovered. Do you really think that Prophet Mohammed would onvent things that accidentally happens to be true? Or did he had previous knowledge of all the secrets, and hid them from everybody, on the hope they will be discovered later on?? Definitely not, but rather a living proof in the face of time, and unbelievers. If you will notice, all other Prophets' miracles ended by the end of the prophet, but it is only fair that God's final revelation should have an everlasting miracle, for those who hadn't witnessed the prophet to believe.
Reagrding the Quraan language, for a non-arabic speaker, you are definitely right, you can not feel a difference or a miraclous thing about the Quraan, evenmore, some unbelievers try to compose verses like Quraan, and the result is something that might seem to someone like you to be similar, but it is definitely not. What most people don"t know is that Quraan has a code inside, discovered during the last Century (but ofcourse this brilliant code was kept hidden by Prophet Mohammed on the hope that 1400 years later, someone might be able to break it). For example, if you count the word water, and the word earth in Quraan, you will find that their ratio is exactly the same as the ratio of water to earth on the planet. When you read the verse that says (the likeness of Jesus befor Allah is as the likeness of Adam) what does it mean?? it means that Adam is like Jesus, both created with a miracle, BUT if you count ho many times the word Adam, and Jesus are mentioned in Quraan, you will find that both are mentioned 25 times. Coincedence?? May be, BUT if you apply this to all the words mentioned to be alike in meaning (.... is like....) you will find the mentioning is the same number of times. Moreover, if you check the words that is (unlike), for example (selling is not like reba), reba is something like shark loaning, you will find always the first one is mentioned one time less than the other. What does this mean?? It simply means that the author of Quraan knows exactly what he is talking about, and what he is doing. I thing that such a book couldn't be written by a human 1400 years ago, unless Aliens provided him with a PC with AI, and the suitable software required for such a process.
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