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peterfwomack
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January 19, 2006 - 09:47 AM
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January 29, 2006 - 02:42 AM
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First of all you are accusing me that I accused you, while this is the last thing I can do because I was bred so polite to respect the young and the old. Also I am not the one who do not obey Allah and accuse his creatures or his religions, so if you want to continue discussion with respect as we used in TIG, then please try to understand what I mean or ask directly and reply directly.
I wonder how being a Jew is accuse.? Every one is free in his believe without misleading others
Second: please do not mention my name in this way in in old and new threads because I understand that you are talking with me and because thus name is for one I respect too much and I do not like to cause harm to any one .
As I found some interest then Ill try to discuss
"And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the Earth"
with my low knowledge this mean be fruitful to be productive and this is explained in the next sentence to fill earth . THIS IS ALSO MENTIONED IN ISLAM IN HADITH (SPEECH BY Prophet" means be productive
I invite people who know scriptures in original language to share us to find if translation is right or wrong. This will help us to understand each one.
Thanks for adding these Quran translation which mean believe in the last message and Prophet (I hope you do not think that this is accuse that you are muslim heh hehheh)
In fact , there are few of them nearer to what we know as translation and other need to explain as example"
Sura 6:121
'Eat not of meats on which the name of God hath not been pronounced"
This verse did not mention meats in Arabic original Quraan but the meaning "'Eat not which the name of God hath not been pronounced" this is to mention the name of Allah when eat any thing including meat wich also the name of Allah must mention before slaughtering and this is proved that any prodused meat they write on canes "Halal حلال " means the name mentioned and the main veins were cut and blood released for we are prevented from eating dead animals (except fishes) and blood (except liver and spleen and also prevented from pork because all harm human and these forbidden were in surah 2"187 wile you mentioned only surah 2: 186
Please read 3: 136-152 or more from authentic site of translation
You will see that 8 pairs of cattle are permitted to be eaten and as I see you believe in Quraan
Read also about the story of Abraham and Ishmael and scarifying animal which is important in hajj and Adha feast to give poor third, friends third and for family third
We must know the difference between slaughter by the right way and killing
and Sura 21: 106 – 107
Verily in this Koran is a Message for people who would Truly worship God.
We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.
If you read hadith you will see ethics of slaughtering animal without harm and quickly because this is the mercy of Allah to his creatures and every thing created is employed to what is created for, so when animal is slaughtered with the right way it will not be painful , so we can not forbid what Allah permitted and we do not change his words.
Pleas if you are bored from my reply tell me directly to stop but in fact I wanted to tell you all
PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ATTENTION TO UNAUTHENTIC TRANSLATION BECAUSE IT MISGUIDE YOU.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
LEAVE PEOPLE LIVE IN PEACE WITH EACH OTHER FOLLOWING THEIR OWN BELIEVES
AND BIBLES WITHOUT CHANGE
This is not for you of course because you are not responsible on changing words of Allah but please only write what you know from authentic site of translation
We all will stand in front of Allah in a day ask Allah we bear it to say the truth
Again I agree living with any one in peaceful community but without changing words of Allah to suit what human want to do.
Any one is free to be vegitarian but no one is free to forbid what Allah permitted حلل
salam
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January 30, 2006 - 12:16 PM
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" I do believe in the words of the Prophet Muhammad, much like I believe the words of the Prophet Rishis, I believe in the words of the Prophet Moses, I believe in the words of the Prophet Buddha, and I believe in the words of the Prophet Jesus, and I believe in the words of any prophet or person within the Universe who speaks the Truth"
I appreciate this believe which is nearly similar to Quraan 2: 285 which means that Prophet (SAW) believed in what was descend to him from his lord and believers also believed in Allah, his angles, his books and his messengers, do not distiguish between any of his messengers…….."
My last comments as I do not like turning discussion to individual arguments:
1-Each question is turned to accuse beside some words I believe that it is insult to older one and I do not need disscussion like this although you always mention respect
I said
"PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ATTENTION TO UNAUTHENTIC TRANSLATION BECAUSE IT MISGUIDE YOU.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
LEAVE PEOPLE LIVE IN PEACE WITH EACH OTHER FOLLOWING THEIR OWN BELIEVES
AND BIBLES WITHOUT CHANGE
This is not for you of course because you are not responsible on changing words of Allah but please only write what you know from authentic site of translation"
So why always insist that this is accuse or you misguide. Any one read what I write understand that wrong translation (which is not yours) is the cause of misguiding and in most sites no one know who is the translator, even Muslims can mistake in translating because Arabic has wide range of words with different meaning according to the sentences. If you read my thread you will find that I changed sites because of wrong translation and I ask any one to tell me when find mistakes to correct.
If you want to discuss let people ask to know
Pertaining joke, it is not Jake , it is trial to minimize stress during discussion tiered me to take definite and direct answers for questions may any one ask
I asked you if my discussion is boring tell me directly
I asked you also other things but you insisted to do again
My last advise (not for you ) for anyone to study original words of Allah and not to choose what suites human and make Allah angry
I also assure you that I am without anger or malice towards you. May you and your family continue to experience wellbeing.
Thanks for effort and wasting time in side argument regardless to insulting and accusing and charging me may Allah forgive us all
Please do not foreword posts to me again till I feel real respect and understand
salam
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