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Pornography, are you in or out?
December 17, 2002 - 01:19 AM
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With Snoop dog and the rest of the boyze gettin in the action, what is your take on pornography?
Is society going to far with where it is going or should we just all have one big orgy?
What are the limits? Do woman rights become violated with the use and spread of pornography? Why?
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 17, 2002 - 08:28 AM
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Porn is porn. People get paid to do it. People pay to watch it. It's like any other product.
Only when it is forced upon people should it ever become an issue.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 18, 2002 - 01:14 AM
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Agree that it's just a consumer product, driven by supply and demand.
The issue that I could see some types being upset about is the inappropriate and inaccuratre portrayal of adult relationships. I mean, if it's an adult buying the stuff, I don't mind, but the concern held by many would be that kids, searching for and finding porn on the net learn to relate sex and romance with their net-bound experience of it. In that way I'm sure women and social conservatives would be worried.
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Pornography, are you in or out?
December 19, 2002 - 03:08 AM
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Wow,
So you don't agree with this?
Pornography and spirituality do not coexist. If a person is spiritually aware, he has respect for himself and others. Pornography sells and feeds off of disrespect for self and others.
Doctors
or how about?
The lips of a seductive woman are oh so sweet, her soft words are oh so smooth. But it won't be long before she's gravel in your mouth, a pain in your gut, a wound in your heart. She's dancing down the primrose path to Death; she's headed straight for Hell and taking you with her.
God
or,
The masive unleashing of sexuality which is occurring in Western civilization is a reflection of cultural decline. it is well-known than an inverse relationship exists between indiscriminate sexual expression and cultural excellence. it is cause, therefore, for extreme alarm when an industry flourishes to the extent of billions of dollars annually whose product for distribution are sexually explicit depictions of the vilest debasement of women, men and children.
Doctors
ok, how about,
Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people
God
and,
Nonviolent pornography focuses almost exclusively on chance encounters between strangers, who suddenly arouse themselves to heavy immediate sex, but without kindness, and without enduring emotional relationships.
Pornography:A human Tragedy
So then,
And thus let the marriage bed by kept undefiled, for God will judge and punish all guilty of sexual vice and adultery.
God
And finally,
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), once called venereal diseases, are among the most common infectious diseases in the United States today. More than 20 STDs have now been identified, and they affect more than 13 million men and women in this country each year. The annual comprehensive cost of STDs in the United States is estimated to be well in excess of $10 billion.
And then there is AIDS. And if you think that is bad, just wait to see what will happen to this world if we keep going the way of sexually immorality.
Blade.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 20, 2002 - 09:37 AM
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Porn is awful. It's debasing, derogatory, shows a lack of respect for one's self and others and is an indication of society where material concerns have got the better of relationships.
I abhor a society that can so shamelessly promote consumerism, can destroy lives in the name of profits and expoits the weak for perceived pleasure.
What I put last time came from the perspective of an economic commodity being traded. For those out there who are involved by choice, good for them, my concerns were expressed last time. But for those who are forced, coerced or fall into the porn industry, it's utterly appalling.
However, my views on porn are pretty ambivalent - as you may have noticed. It's a matter that crosses the private/public boundary, so where I think that what people do behind closed doors is their concern if it doesn't affect others, I consider the state social conciousness as important.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 21, 2002 - 10:41 AM
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Notice mossy gets a nod from balderunner because he agrees with him - gotta love being the devils advocate 
As it is, porn is like any other thing - including evangalism. It's bound to offend someone.
The trick is, make it so the people who want it get it, and that those who don't (or shouldn't, in the case of kids) are unaware of it's presence.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 21, 2002 - 12:17 PM
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Good stuff mossy!
However, even if people do it behind closed doors, doesn't it still affect us?
Pornography is everywhere!! And so the people that are doing it behind closed doors are trying to bring it mainstream.
Do it, it's alright, everyone's doing it. What aren't you cool enough?
And what it creates is a fantasy world doesn't it? An illusion of what a relationship should be.
A perfect babe, with perfect adornments, with a perfect attitude. What wife can compete?
So doesn't it still affect us? Regardless of people doing behind closed doors or not?
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 22, 2002 - 06:19 AM
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Oh Jingles, I think you are great too! ;> I hope you don't feel left out. Just jokin.
And good old evangelism. Who says I am evangelising? What does that mean Jingles?
What I am doing is trying to express an interest in freedom.
What is that?
And I see that you started with freedom of choice. A very necessary thing with freedom. However, you can't have freedom without the truth. Why? Because the truth sets you free. You are a slave to whatever your master is. So if you think about sex 24/7, then that is your master.
Porn doesn't set you free. It brings about addiction. How many teenagers do you know who use porn to get off? Or bring porn into their bedrooms or into their relationships.
Porn is about fantasy. It is about bringing about an illusionment that best satisfies the person. I know, I was addicted to porn and sex. And the porn made me unsatisfied with my relationships because they weren't as subservient as the girls in the movies. They didn't do everything that i wanted. The girls actually had needs more than sexual. There is an emotional and spiritual aspect to a relatioship. That in actuality, me being in a relationship means that I serve the other person. Something very different than your average porn movie.
So sure, I am in agreement, we should have free access to porn. However, we should also understand the implications of pornography. And then we should be able to make an educated choice that gives us truth. Because truth gives us freedom and freedom gives us justice. And justice is the foundation of any eternal kingdom.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 23, 2002 - 04:58 AM
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Porn doesn't, by itself, create any illusions over womens needs or wants - we do that to ourselves. I treat women well and as an equal, and I assume the rest of humankind things the same regardless of if they had been watching 'debbie does dallas' flicks for most of their adut life or not! You can't blame sexual imagery and fantasical plots for the worlds ills.
If we did, every book, film and CD in history would be guilty of some crime or another... insiting riots, rape, incest, war, you name it...
And what of the couples that watch porn together? Are they both living in ignorance? I don't thik so - I think it's harmless by mutual concent.
As for your case.... seems like you advocate throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Just because you were a porn addict doesn't mean everyone who's ever picked up a copy of hustler wants their women to do a spread on the sofa under harsh lighting....
I have an occasional drink, but I'm not an alcoholic. It's all a question of degrees and restraint... you can't play nanny for the world
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 26, 2002 - 06:29 AM
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Hey Guys,
Have a good Christmas?
Sexual immorality isn't the chief problem to world's ills, but it is a part of the problem.
Pornography is about creating fantasy. Exactly that. It isn't about reality. It is an illusion. An illusion of pretending of making a reality world. And you are right Jingles, we create the illusions, but these materials are instruments in the fantasy. Sin only lasts for a season. So either you leave it or you look for more. So then a one time masturbation problem turns into a full blown sexual addiction.
However, a real relationship is based upon emotions and spirituality. Something that Pornography always leaves out. Pornography is a lie. It doesn't talk about the brokenness, the hurts, the pains, the jealously, the selfish ambition, the behind the scenes. It only puts on a front to the happiness.
Women are not objects, they aren't sex toys. They aren't these inanimate bodies that have to do exactly what we tell them or vessels for carrying out our fantasies on. They are real people with, real ideas. Personally, I love women. I have many woman friends who brilliant, strong and compassionate. They truly embrace feminity with such a beauty that I am amazed. So I am saddened by how they are being sold out with pornography. It is depicting them as sex hungry, brainless, silly, dumb, objects.
Pornography plays a large part in breaking up the family and destroying the moral standard of a society. It plays a large part in the destruction to what we see around us. And thus why so many other nations hate the states. They understand this truth.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 27, 2002 - 06:45 AM
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Pornography doesn't degrade women, no more than guns shoot people. People shoot people.
I can honestly say that if I sat down and watched porn 48 hours straight I can't see my self asking my partner to read from a poorly written script, before submiting to my animal desires. Hell, I watch movies like swordfish, but somehow I manage not to kill everyone with ball-bearing loaded explosives.
I don't blame other people, other input for my failures. It's just a cop-out. As an adult, you should be expected and encouraged to take responsibility for your own actions.
The same goes with relationships - they work or fail based on you and your partner. Nothing else.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
December 28, 2002 - 03:45 AM
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I am in both agreement and disagreement with the position of Bladerunner. I agree that pornography is dangerous, while the actual pornographic material is created from conscenting adults the consequences of it many times prove dangerous. I am against the objectification of any class or group of people. I believe that porn objectifies and commondifies women (in some cases men) and contributes (not causes) some viewers to percieve relationships in a harmful and unhealthy way.
On the other hand, I feel that it would be dangerous to totally ban it. I do not have enough faith in any government to act in a reasonable or resoponsible manner after being given such authority.
One of the points of disagreement is the statement (forgive me I don't know how to quote so this is a rough paraphrase - let me know if I misunderstood the point) that there is an inverse relationship between indiscriminant sexual relations and cultural excellance. I find this statement to be difficult to believe, the ancient Greeks practiced far worse sexual exhibitions than anything I have heard of elsewhere and they were quite culturally excellent. I am willing to accept the proposition that an inverse relationship exists if you can provide analysis and data to back this claim.
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
January 3, 2003 - 07:55 AM
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Child Pronography seems to always involve non-consenting young individuals, or young individuals misled into performing these acts. In either case, this is inhuman, immoral, and downright sickening.
There very little else to be said on that score.
Ironically enough, I find smoking more offensive that pronography. I choke my lungs on a regular basis without any say in the matter.......
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Re: Pornography, are you in or out?
January 3, 2003 - 11:15 AM
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I don't think we should ban it. There should be a free choice.
However, I think we should be educated on what pornography actually does. And then people should be able to choose on whether they will watch it or not based upon the truth.
And for that statement, I will see if it can be supported. May take a bit. I got it out of a book.
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just replying
January 3, 2003 - 12:06 PM
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Greetings all!! Happy new year!
Weeell, here's my take on the random inner-subjects of this oh-so-sweet topic: In my opinion, pornography is degrating -to BOTH men and women. Now, I don't believe perspectives will be changed because of the shown behaviour on these videos, pictures, etc. Men will still think the same of women after jacking off to a video...why?-you ask... Because the minute that man tries to do the same to his wife, his girlfriend, or some random date, he won't get the same response as the horny man on the video (depending on the morals of the girl)...Now, everyone knows that men (of course) watch pornography more often then women..and even then, women won't change perspectives either... and for those that really do believe women and men do those things on a regular basis, you have my pity.
I do not believe Pornography should be banned. I take pretty much the same position on pornography that I do abortion. DO what is right for YOU. I don't particularly care for pornography, but I'm not going to take someone else's rights away from them. And if the legalization of pornography means more happy, satisfied people and less crankyness and pissyness...GREAT!! Just don't force it on society, and don't pressure others to intake on your "habits"...
As for exposing these intimate videos to those underage via internet, magazines, and late-night television shows, I full-heartedly give my consent to ban it. Kids do not need to be seeing these things, and YES -if watched be a 10 year old, that child may really develop the perception that THAT is what really goes on behind the curtain. Pornography is poison to the eyes of childern, because they're the easiest to convince. Now, I don't think it's the motive of companies to expose pornography to childern, but, what angers me is that the companies aren't putting forth an effort to cover the childern's eyes. Porn sites are easily accessed through the internet: ex. Every time I log on to AIM, I get at least three pop ups of girls asking me to come to their website to see them UNDRESS FOR ME. They have no idea how old I am, they have no idea what I'll do with these videos, and they have no idea who's watching them undress. It's very sick to think about. But, in regards to covering up childrens' eyes, here's an idea for pornography companies: Don't allow "skimpy" magazines to be sold at news-stands, book stores, or cafes (and no, the plasic cover does not help, the front of the magazine is just as bad as what's not revealed because of the cunning use of plasic) Do not allow random people to enter porn sites, and asking their age DOES NOT HELP. My cousin Chris (being the pervert that he is) has access to many different porn sites and, according to him, it's oh-so easy to slip past their little fingers. Uggh. It just disgusts me to think about how easy it is to let these images enter childrens' eyes...
Well, that's my two cents for now... and I just wanted to bring about something that hasn't yet been talked about in this category: How do you feel about child pornography, and what do you think we, as a society, can do to decrease its rate?
Well, byebye all..
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