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America:evil or good
December 17, 2005 - 09:28 AM
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Lets talk about it.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 18, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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America like any other country of the world has its own good and bad features, I therefore wonder why you have to single her out for this kind of debate. Anyway, I am not really surprised that you did not see anything good about America but you need to go to Mexico and see how people desperately try to cross the border to America.
You need to go to various American embassies in Africa to see the long queu of prospective Visa applicants. You need to know the number of applicants worldwide applying for the D.V Visa lottery every year. Most people in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Cambodia, Nigeria, Zambia, China and host of other countries would rather prefer to go to America in search of good life which they will surely have. America might have its bad side, yet it is home to many peoples of the world. What else is better than being accomodating. America is indeed great.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 18, 2005 - 09:08 AM
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"It's simple. America has both good and evil features. It's not All evil. It's not All good. There are evidences supporting both sides." - Arslan
I agree.
But just a clarification: 'America' is just a name. A name for a country. A country is made of land.
How can any land be considered evil or good? It just is as it is. Land.
It's people who are evil and/or good.
And how many people live in America? Lots. So how does one measure a person to be evil or good? Let alone measure it as a collective to determine a country's status.
- Rerenga
PS Yeah, I'm being smart. What kind of discussion is this?
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Re: America:evil or good
December 18, 2005 - 10:36 AM
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I just wanted to post it to see what the haters had to say.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 18, 2005 - 11:36 AM
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It's simple. America has both good and evil features. It's not All evil. It's not All good. There are evidences supporting both sides.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 18, 2005 - 12:55 PM
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Wow I will frame this.You actually said America has some good.Weres the proof.Show me links.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 19, 2005 - 02:17 AM
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Stevens,
I am sorry to say this but your stubborness is blocking your mind from understanding the opposite oppinions you don't like to hear. No body is denying the great contributions America has done to the world especially in the fields of medicine, science, education, etc. What most people here are against is the double standard policies of the US government toward the world especially the Midde East. We see America claiming to be protecting freedom and liberty for its own citizens while at the same time supporting and conducting arm deals with dictators overseas. Can you see that?. America has to act what it preaches if it wants other countries to follow its path.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 19, 2005 - 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by stevez
Wow I will frame this.You actually said America has some good.Weres the proof.Show me links.
Stevez, if you continue to behave this way, you will become a laughing stock here (if you haven't become one already). Anyone who has read my posts in "Islamic Extremism - American Imperialism" discussion thread, has read me saying that there are many good things America has done.
Do you really think I consider America only doing evil? I am not even going to comment on this ridiculous assumption.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 19, 2005 - 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Palestinian
Stevens,
I am sorry to say this but your stubborness is blocking your mind from understanding the opposite oppinions you don't like to hear. No body is denying the great contributions America has done to the world especially in the fields of medicine, science, education, etc. What most people here are against is the double standard policies of the US government toward the world especially the Midde East. We see America claiming to be protecting freedom and liberty for its own citizens while at the same time supporting and conducting arm deals with dictators overseas. Can you see that?. America has to act what it preaches if it wants other countries to follow its path.
Each country has double standards,it depends on who is running the country at what time.
Each American president has his own agenda,so the ideas basically change every 4 years.
As for selling arms to dictators,we gave arms to Iraq and Saddam in the 80's to fight the Iranian,at the time they were our enemy.Now we are in Iraq to rid the world of the arms we gave Saddam.
With the Talibon we gave arms to them to fight the Russians also our enemy.We are now also fighting the talibon.
Maybe future presidents will look back on these two and decide that it isn't the right thing to do.
But in the same light when we gave arms to those dictators they were our allies.
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Re: America:evil or good
December 24, 2005 - 02:00 AM
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Stevez...
Yes, it's true that the American government has done a lot of stupid things. But in all reality, what government hasn't? Regardless of nationality, we're all human and therefore susceptible to mistakes and corruption.
Additionally, I'd like to help dispell the popular myth that American presidents have total control over the country's future. Although presidents have great influence, the bulk of their power comes from the prestige of presidency. Their only real constitutional powers that a president has are to appoint judiciary positions (under the senate's approval), veto congressional laws (however the veto can be overruled be a 2/3 vote from Congress), and establish treaties (which must be ratified by Congress). So, basically, the president isn't necessarily the only person to place responsibility on.
With that established, I'd like to reiterate the point that the opinions of the few who run the government don't necessarily reflect those of the entire American people.
Lastly, If you're looking for pro's about the U.S., I'll point out a few things.
First off, there's a rather large middle class, as compared to many other countries, which enjoys an incomparably high standard of living. Many of the poorest Americans can still maintain luxuries such as telvision sets, cars, and microwaves that aren't remotely as available in other places of the world. Although most European countries are more egalitarian in this respect, the American people still achieve a higher sense of social equality. Americans, as a people, are afterall noted for their pride and sometimes arrogance around the world. Rarely anywhere else does the impoverished classes have such a high sense of dignity. This sense of dignity is reflected in the virtues of American society. Despite the capitalisitc drive to "succeed despite all costs" and to "look out for number one", American society still values things like charity, generosity, equality, and justice (albeit sometimes the last isn't always so apparent). This idea of virtue is all the more pronounced in American society purely because it is chosen freely despite the temptation not to, rather than being forced as in many islamic fundamentalist countries.
Second, the U.S. has a high rate of social mobility. Many of the biggest American business tycoons came from humble beginnings. Bill Gates (Microsoft) started coding programs in his garage. Although his story is extreme, it remains that few other countries have created a better ladder than America for people to ascend from modest circumstances to success.
Third, work is more accepted in the U.S. than many other countries (allow me to explain before you say anything). Historically, service jobs have been looked down upon. In the U.S., there is no shame in saying that one serves as a waiter, sales clerk, or even a garbage man. In many European countries that I've visited, the serving classes seem to be far less distinguished.
Fourth, Americans tend to live fuller lives. While American capitalism and greed is notorious around the world, this same drive for success also drives people to work for happiness moreso than many other countries. However, this drive for happiness has led to high divorce and remarriage rates and urges for sexual gratification.
And last, the U.S. is one of the most tolerant countries in the world. Nowhere else have people worked so hard for racial equality. No other country has worked harder and lost more in the fight to rid itself of things like slavery and racial inequality. The fight against slavery was one of the basis for the American Civil War, which remains the bloodiest war fought by the U.S. to date. Tolerance is additionally observed in the "melting pot" result. There are few other countries that sustain not only racial, but also religious and sexual equality. However, make no mistake, I do concede that there are major exceptions to this. The homophobia, racial preferences in jobs, fear of muslims, etc. still plagues many Americans today.
The U.S. is FAR from perfect, but it still does have its good sides.
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