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MOHAMMED ALIYU PAIKO
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RELIGIONS PREACH GOOD VIRTUES!
November 18, 2005 - 06:38 AM
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I have followed all arguements on the subject of discussion and I am really amazed!
I leave in a country where if we were to consider the number of worship places,one would consider us the most religious in the world. But you would be quick to ask "do our people display as much good virtues as the number of worship places ordinarily suggest?" The answer to the above question is a capital "NO!"
Here, you see the majority of the people who cannot feed three times daily struggling to make ends meet. They work tirelessly trying to survive under harsh conditions whereas on the other hand, you see a few privileged individuals who are opportuned to occupy positions of authority, who are entrusted with the resources of the majority. Rather than use those resources for the development of the majority poor, they choose to corruptly enrich themselves with these resources that belongs to every one of us. And to think that these same people attend mosques and mass together with the poor ones, listen to the preachings of our religious leaders and still refuse to be of good virtue, is amazing!
Now, where is the religiousness(?) going to take these category of cruel, insensitive people? What is the benefit of listening to sermon, always in mosque or mass, praying to God (Allah), and not a show of pitty, remorse to those in dear need?
For me, i think religion is all about how peacefully and quietly one prays to the Almighty, how quickly and gracefully one responds to the cry for help of a fellow being, how much interest one takes in settling disputes and above all, with how much good virtues one lives his/her hife!
ALL RELIGION STRIVES TO PREACH IS GOOD VIRTUES, NOT THE NUMBER OF TIMES ONE PRAYS, ATTENDS MOSQUE AND MASS OR SEEM TO BE INVOLVED IN CHURCH/MOSQUE ACTIVITIES.
To this end, I believe the man's actions will lead him straight to HEAVEN!!
Mohammed
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November 18, 2005 - 09:52 AM
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Dere put it really well with the antenna and TV story..
Well I believe that every individual has to choose his way of life. Doing good or doing bad. It doesnt necessarily matter as to what faith you follow. There are so many Religions but there's still ONE GOD, ONE CREATOR.
Doing good deeds DOES send you to heaven...you cant possibly be punished for doing good deeds.
You do what you do from your heart not to impress or flatter God, you might deceive others of your intentions of doing good but He of all will know the truth.
Doing good deeds just to get to heaven...isnt fair for everything you believe in but..well atleast ur doing good..lol. What you appear to be as you live is what you are judged as, while u live each day...What's truely in your heart is what you are judged as, after life.
olomu1 has stated previously "...Do you know how many people are been killed every other day in the name of religion, fathers disowning their children for accepting a new faith, homes breaking up just because wife and husband can no longer agree on religious belief, christians and muslims killing each other all in the name of religion...."
...This is merely because some people do not understand the value of life. When they do not respect the value of their own life, how will they respect others life? God and in no religion has it been said that 'Killing' is what God wants. When we are not subjected to the right of someone's life, we cannot take it. We are not to decide when and how long must a person live that we can take away life so easily when we feel its the right thing to do.
In Conclusion, we live in a world filled with people following different religions, having different beliefs..it is for us to choose our way of life. Whether we are born in family of religion or not. How Religious you are does matter only because you are sometimes defined by your religion. But...doing good that comes from your heart is what matters the most and the life you choose..good or bad..on which we all are judged before and after life.
God Bless,
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December 21, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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Hi guys I just followed the string of discussion you were having. I have few questions to ask from you. Is faith and religion the same or different? If they are different, do they have any relationships between them? Is it possible to have more than one truth about the life after death in this universe which is functioning in a well planned manner.
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Religion is an instrument to goodness
December 22, 2005 - 01:26 AM
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To me faith and religion are two different things. Faith is an act of obedience that the individual exercises with the power one belives in. It is a spirit that manifests itself in act of worhsip, and devotion to the Cause one is following in. It is a kind of magnet that attracts spiritual blessing from the power on High. Religion is a Cause established by prophets/manifestations of God, with its principles and guidelines. It is a system created by prophets of God, who has laiddown the farmework of beliefs of individualsis a collective system of worship. It is a synergy and summation of many individual beliefs, where they all submit themselves. Faith originates from this framework.
In fact, faith is more of energy [spirit], and religion is more of system. Faith relates to individual; religion is collective. Faith differs from individual to individual; but religion has one same principle to all its followers, and many else..
The concept of faith in most cases is associated with blind belief, but i do not agree with that. I believe that faith originates from conscious knowledge of one's belief. One has to first know in one has to have faith in. Faith should be suported by reasonable rational, otherwise it is mere superstition. People say I have faith in Christ/Muhammad or in other prophets, it is not because they blindly believe in Them, but rather they have exercised some miracles in their life, but failed to explain that mysterious connection to others in a way other people can understand. In such cases, people might consider this as a blind belief, but rather it is reality in which people have failed to express it outwardly in way society understands. Many more can be said on this important issue.
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January 6, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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interesting discussion about religions.
i really liked how Zhac put it.
i personally believe that religion exists since humanity exists in its modern form. secondly, religion, in the ancient times, was "introduced" fo sevral purposes:
- to explain things which would be otherwise inexplicable(having a recourse to the GOD and putting blame or praise on the GOD), be them climatical, or "social";
- to form a framework of beliefs which would distinguish what is "good" from what is "bad";
- make stronger bonds(in a social way), involving religion as a common trait (in which case allegiance to same religion would make somehow to strangers closer,...);
- be able to distinguish or differentiate themselves(as inviduals or societies) from others - kind of social identity.
These are the main dimensions, or raison d'etre, of ALL religions, whether local, pagan or portable religions or whatever else that exists that can be called a religion. Of course these few points have enourmous amount of consequences!
Now, how deviated all those relgions, in terms of their implementation, followers and beliefs, are from the original idea of THE "RELIGION" thats another question.
I am not an Atheist but I believe that being religious or not doesnt make someone bad or good person in ANY terms unless his ignorance of religion or the contrary affect one way or another others around him/her.
And considering that Holy Quran, Bible, Torah and all other simialar-content books were written BY HUMANS, whether prophets or their followers, whether heavenly inspired or otherwise, I believe that it all boils down to making this world a better place to live for you, your friends, you neighbors, your children, your parents , in one word for EVERYONE.
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January 8, 2006 - 08:16 AM
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-And considering that Holy Quran, Bible, Torah and all other simialar-content books were written BY HUMANS,- posted by mnopq.
I believe that Muhammad (s) was ILLITERATE, and that he did not "write" the Qur'an. Muslims won't have considered the Qur'an to be "Holy" if it was written by humans anyway.
In addition, I think the other dimension of the human history speaks for itself. It was not religion that caused European powers to colonize the third world, nor was it the factor that made Hitler exterminate Slavs, Jews, and Gypsies.
It was not religion that made whites enslave blacks, nor was it the reason behind the most bloody part of the human history: The two World Wars.
Human interests manipulate religions and other ideologies in order to justify malicious actions: it's because of human imperfection.
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January 8, 2006 - 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by aymanelhakea
-And considering that Holy Quran, Bible, Torah and all other simialar-content books were written BY HUMANS,- posted by mnopq.
I believe that Muhammad (s) was ILLITERATE, and that he did not "write" the Qur'an. Muslims won't have considered the Qur'an to be "Holy" if it was written by humans anyway.
I agree on one point here: Muhammad was considered illiterate. But he was simply telling his friends/companions/followers to write down. Here below the quote from Wikipedia(I also checked other sources):
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According to Muslim traditions, the companions of Muhammad began recording suras in writing before Muhammad died in 632; written copies of various suras during his lifetime are frequently alluded to in the traditions. For instance, in the story of the conversion of Umar ibn al-Khattab (when Muhammad was still at Mecca), his sister is said to have been reading a text of sura Ta-Ha. At Medina, about sixty-five companions are said to have acted as scribes for him at one time or another; the prophet would regularly call upon them to write down revelations immediately after they came.
And same goes for other similar "books" as Torah and Bible.
Originally posted by aymanelhakea
In addition, I think the other dimension of the human history speaks for itself. It was not religion that caused European powers to colonize the third world, nor was it the factor that made Hitler exterminate Slavs, Jews, and Gypsies.
Right, but it was religion that drove herds of priesthood cast representetives after colonizers to convert indigenous peoples in case of Christianity. Conversions where done in case of Islam via Jizya(a tax from non-Islam males) or sometimes by force.
Rather it WAS religion that caused Christian persecutions with Diocletian doing his utmost to get rid of all Christians. It was religion that was behind 8 Crusades which had a consequence of making Islam and Christianity to intersect and to interact and therefore contributed a lot in developments of both. It was religion that caused all religious wars in Switzerland and reformist movements and consequent persecutions in France, Germany, Italy, Switzlerland, etc. It IS a lot based on religion that political Islam was born after the Afgan War, etc. etc. etc.
Originally posted by aymanelhakea
It was not religion that made whites enslave blacks, nor was it the reason behind the most bloody part of the human history: The two World Wars.
Well yes, the basic reasons of two world wars were not religions, cause starting from industrilization era nations tend on average to use religion in less cases, apart from Islam, as a political, social or economical tool. But forexmaple Bosnian War after it declared its independence in 1992 was PURELY religious... Andin most cses religion is not loudly announced to be a main reason but it is implied to be a reason bhind many similar "events" as wars, confrontations etc.
I agree with the rest!
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January 21, 2006 - 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by olomu1 I am not an atheist but I am strongly of the opinion that religion has failed in its traditional role to promote goodness among humanity. "
No, people who failed to follow ethicks and religious goodness because they just look under their foot . and as Quraan said themeaning, do you know who are the loosers, they are who think that they have done well in the life
religion is for life and treasure for hearafter.
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"Its like you have three kids: one is really getting all he/she wants, has nice clothes and everyother thing(the West), and the others which are put apart(the Eastern nations), and have nothing of that first kid and they try to get or revenge and the only possibility to "discharge" this negative feeling is to act on whom he/she can, namely your neighbor."
i think revenge is not related to these three types , in fact self peace is important and satisfing what Allah gave make them thankfull, the amazing that who have nothing are more thankfull than who have every thing, i saw this with my eyes
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January 21, 2006 - 06:44 AM
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I am not an atheist but I am strongly of the opinion that religion has failed in its traditional role to promote goodness among humanity.
Peterfwomack's views on the positive impacts of religion on mankind though noted but somehow contested, or how do you explain the considerable religious intolerance and persecutions making the rounds.
Up to date, each and everyone of us is guilty of a particular sin or crime yet we are either muslims, jews, xtians, bhuddists or whatever. What role is religion playing to positively influence our lives, hasn't it failed or it has to do with human imperfection?
Religion rather than bring about peaceful co-existense which leads to development and advancement has in some countries brought unending war, perpetual sorrow rather than succour.
However, the difference between the West and the rest is that there is religious tolerance therefore people manage to live in harmony. Go to Asia, Africa and the Far east and you will see a different ball game. There is usually a religious conflict between husband and wife in a family, a community and the nation at large. Daily occurences all over the world are there to corroborate my point.
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January 21, 2006 - 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by olomu1
I am not an atheist but I am strongly of the opinion that religion has failed in its traditional role to promote goodness among humanity.
Peterfwomack's views on the positive impacts of religion on mankind though noted but somehow contested, or how do you explain the considerable religious intolerance and persecutions making the rounds.
Up to date, each and everyone of us is guilty of a particular sin or crime yet we are either muslims, jews, xtians, bhuddists or whatever. What role is religion playing to positively influence our lives, hasn't it failed or it has to do with human imperfection?
Religion rather than bring about peaceful co-existense which leads to development and advancement has in some countries brought unending war, perpetual sorrow rather than succour.
However, the difference between the West and the rest is that there is religious tolerance therefore people manage to live in harmony. Go to Asia, Africa and the Far east and you will see a different ball game. There is usually a religious conflict between husband and wife in a family, a community and the nation at large. Daily occurences all over the world are there to corroborate my point.
i agree and disagree.
in my opinion in the West the role of religion is much diminished caused by the rise of technological and economic advents which directly and indirectly deviated Westerners from clinging to religion in their daily lifes and beliefs, and agian thats the case since industrial revolution, it wasnt the case before..
if we further stick to this reasoning it can explain rather easily why the East and Africa re having all the conflicts they have, namely because there level of development, if i may say so in general terms meaning economic, social etc, didnt reach the Western level and is more exacerbated(whence most of conflicts arise from) and is EXACERBATED by external factors, meaning stature of the West, i.e. they see it out there in the West how "well" it all goes and seeing what is around them and who is around them they act upon decisions not thouroughly reflected..
Its like you have three kids: one is really getting all he/she wants, has nice clothes and everyother thing(the West), and the others which are put apart(the Eastern nations), and have nothing of that first kid and they try to get or revenge and the only possibility to "discharge" this negative feeling is to act on whom he/she can, namely your neighbor.
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