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Moustafa Mohamed Hussein
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CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
November 2, 2005 - 07:45 AM
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USA has now prisons all over the world, really can't find words to comment over this, watch out this piece of news according to the washington post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html
freedom!! Human rights !! I dont think so.
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
November 5, 2005 - 07:55 AM
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take this so you can understand
if anyone want the freedom he should built a prsion
if you want the human rights take off the most important right to let them feel that its important ,the right to live...
i just changed the definition of things to make it match with things going around you to understand it hope it worked
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
November 6, 2005 - 09:25 AM
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Should building those secret prisons be any surprise to anyone living on the planet ?
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
November 16, 2005 - 06:24 AM
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Prisons are required in society thats a fact. They help maintain order and lower recidivism. Some prisons must be highly secured to protect society from the worst and most harden criminals. However, no prison should be kept in total secrecy, there is no need for it and it does not help to protect society, but merely to protect those who administer these prisons from inquiry into treatment of inmates.
I dont care if they have secret prisons and i'm sure as hell not surprised, i'm concerned about the human rights of the inmates and the rights of the families and whether they are being quelled to help fight an undeclared, improper and somewhat illegal war on "terror".
Its time to fight for our rights, by not suspending the rights upheld by the rule of law to combat these so called "terrorists threats"
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 9, 2005 - 01:02 AM
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OK I might be the only one saying this but I don't see why that's a bad thing. Clearly those who deserve it should go to prison. Now I don't care if it's a secret or local prison as long as there's justice. This might be because I am familiar with it first hand. I studied law and work close to the government and it just makes sense they would do that. Again, I might be the only one but I don't see this as a bad thing. Human rights? I don't see how they're affected by this considering the "humans" in those prisons are potential or confirmed terrorists. I somewhat agree with "netdude" that it shouldn't be kept in secrecy. However, I think considering the location and reasons I'm not all that upset over it. As for the human rights of the inmates, I do hope their families are informed and that the same prison rules apply here as well.
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 12, 2005 - 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by LolaSkye
OK I might be the only one saying this but I don't see why that's a bad thing. Clearly those who deserve it should go to prison. Now I don't care if it's a secret or local prison as long as there's justice. This might be because I am familiar with it first hand. I studied law and work close to the government and it just makes sense they would do that. Again, I might be the only one but I don't see this as a bad thing. Human rights? I don't see how they're affected by this considering the "humans" in those prisons are potential or confirmed terrorists. I somewhat agree with "netdude" that it shouldn't be kept in secrecy. However, I think considering the location and reasons I'm not all that upset over it. As for the human rights of the inmates, I do hope their families are informed and that the same prison rules apply here as well.
It should be left for the criminal court to decide whether the accused are guilty as charged or not. The obvious problem with these secret prisons is that noone knows where these "terrorists" are so they can be put on trial except the executioners . Where is the "due process" of the US law from all of this???
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 14, 2005 - 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Palestinian
It should be left for the criminal court to decide whether the accused are guilty as charged or not. The obvious problem with these secret prisons is that noone knows where these "terrorists" are so they can be put on trial except the executioners . Where is the "due process" of the US law from all of this???
This might be way far-fetched but have you ever thought about them being the law? Regarding these matters the rules/law could be completely in their hands. Doesn't make it right but who says the American government is right in anything related to human rights - with the exception of the United Nations of course, who I support 100%. Of course this level of debate is pure speculation so I can't really make up my mind on whether it's good or not because of the lack of information and data regarding this.
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 18, 2005 - 01:55 AM
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It should be left for the criminal court to decide whether the accused are guilty as charged or not. The obvious problem with these secret prisons is that noone knows where these "terrorists" are so they can be put on trial except the executioners . Where is the "due process" of the US law from all of this???[/B][/QUOTE]
Those people in these prisons are war criminals,war criminals don't go to criminal courts.
And I guess your palastinian suicide bombers that kill innocent Isrealis are the judge,jury and executioners all in one shot.Thats OK though.
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what about state violence?
December 26, 2005 - 01:24 AM
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Not just United States... take any other country and u will find something called 'State Violence'.Human Rights Commisions can cry foul only when they know of an incidence of violation. in most cases state violence is often justified or simply goes undetected.
whether it is the displacement of thousands in palestine, israel and kashmir or the eviction of tribal communities to pave the way for globalisation ,the reality of state violence is almost never brought to light.it always goes unnoticed in the Blame-game.
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 26, 2005 - 07:06 AM
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Throughout my life I have always been told that whatever you do in the dark always comes to light...this doesn't seem to bear true when it comes to human rights. I agree that there is a definite need for prisons no one would deny this, but secret prsions only mean that the world cannot step in and protect the basic rights of individuals. Arslan's right, even Nazis had trials. We can be so removed from it because it's not our family members or friends. I've also looked at some Human Rights Reports and most of the prisoners (in the prisons that we know of)don't even know what they are being charged with...I can only imagine how easy is is for governments to just round up anyone and everyone and throw them in secret prisons.
I know that there has been a history of suicide bombers in Sri Lanka, Israel etc, however, I would love to have seen responses to this topic pre 911 'cause I think the only think that everyone talks about now is "terrorists" but there are people who are locked up for all types of reasons. It's like guilty by association or nationality, there's no law that protects any of us from this.
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Re: CIA Holds Terror Suspects in Secret Prisons
December 26, 2005 - 10:52 AM
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Are you guys aware of the fact that even Nazis went through legal trials (except for those whom CIA saved in order to collaborate with them against the Soviet Union)?
The news about secret prisons didn't surprise me at all, brother Palestinian. After all these news about Abu Ghraib (which Human Rights Watch rightly called "a tip of the iceberg), and beyond, it can hardly surprise anyone.
This American-led international Gulag is absolutely lawless, and a crime. How many prisoners of war from Baghram, Guantanamo, and Abu Ghraib or those suffered because of "extraordinary rendition" turned out to be innocent? There are plenty of them.
You may consult Roger Brokaw who interrogated inmates in Abu Ghraib. He is questioned about the prison population, and he answers that maximum 2% of them turned out to be guilty of what they were accused of. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/interviews/brokaw.html
It's disturbing to see that after the US government without the authorization of the UN invaded a sovereign nation, killed tens of thousands of its people, destroyed its infrastructure, humiliated and defiled it's religion, tortured its people (including women and children), and now runs a Global Gulag, but people "don't see why that's a bad thing."
Have you guys ever read the reports of Human Rights Watch and Amnesty about the way people have been treated in US custodies in Iraq, AFghanistan, and elsewhere? According to a classified UNICEF document, US military kept about 100 children in torture prisons in Iraq. It was also supported by the declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by American Civil Liberties Union. Two months ago, ACLU reported that autopcies of people died in US custodies shows that some inmates were "tortured to death." The Pentagon admits that 108 people have died in US custody.
Now some questions arise: How many have been tortured to death? How many have been tortured not to death? How many have been tortured to death which has not been reported (say, Pentagon managed to keept it secret). How many have been tortured not to death about which nothing has been reported?
And finally, why the prisons are kept secret?
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