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Media control and influence?
August 8, 2005 - 03:59 AM
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Jim Clancy
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One CNN Center
Atlanta, GA 30303
June 25, 2004
Dear Mr. Clancy:
We were disturbed by the remark of an audience member during your roundtable discussion with members of the Iraqi press corps on the transfer of power in Iraq, which you recently moderated in Dubai Media City ("Countdown to Handover: The Arab Pulse," June 21).
In a question directed to the panelists about press freedoms, an audience member who identified himself as a journalist with the Gulf News stated that, "Many people in the region believe that the U.S. media is – rightly or wrongly – Jewish controlled." Unfortunately, this statement went totally unchallenged by you and the panelists.
The myth of "Jewish controlled" media has long been a staple of anti-Semites. This anti-Semitic canard is now widely accepted in the Arab world and pervasive in the Muslim and Arab Media, along with the myth of "Jewish control" of the U.S. government.
We hope that, in future, when confronted with such outlandish and stereotypical statements by one of your peers, you would immediately challenge the statement and make clear to your audience that this is anti-Semitism.
Sincerely,
Anti-Defamation League
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 15, 2005 - 02:25 AM
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i'm really sad to hear thing like that. it's so nazistic. i'm sorry to say so, but some ppl r really overreacting to say things like that. i don't understand why some have to seek bad things about certain ppl in everything. why there have to be such bad ppl in these world, that are making statements like that. i hope i did not insult anybody with this.
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Shobuz rocks:)
August 15, 2005 - 04:21 AM
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Definitely the subject is really provocative so is the thread. With that said, I wonder what Shobuz's aim really is. It isn't that obvious at all as the author prefered to hide his position regarding the topics in question behind re-prints of really bigoted views and opinions.
Shobuz, you really hit the TIG in style 
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 15, 2005 - 07:34 AM
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It is highly inaccurate and extremely hateful to generalize. The accusation towards a whole nation or a religion will NEVER be correct simply because not all people in a particular group are bad as well as not all are good.
Now Jews controlling the media? That for certain can not be true. Judaism is a religion. Maybe if that is their religious goals, then yes. But that is surely not what Judaism is proclaims. How about people who have converted to Judaism? Do they automatically have power over the media? Do not define people by their religion. Do not label people according to their belief, ethnic background, nation, or life style.
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 16, 2005 - 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by sarah-nasser
It is highly inaccurate and extremely hateful to generalize. The accusation towards a whole nation or a religion will NEVER be correct simply because not all people in a particular group are bad as well as not all are good.
Now Jews controlling the media? That for certain can not be true. Judaism is a religion. Maybe if that is their religious goals, then yes. But that is surely not what Judaism is proclaims. How about people who have converted to Judaism? Do they automatically have power over the media? Do not define people by their religion. Do not label people according to their belief, ethnic background, nation, or life style.
Hi. I think this letter/article may have been misunderstood. It is not making any generalizations about an entire people - or actually, the generalization made here is concerning the American media, not the Jews. Actually, the article to which I was referring is not even here - I had read an article in shobuz' updates which, in fact, listed and named many of the persons in power and repeatedly and ad nauseam pointed out the fact that each one of them was Jewish. If what was written was true concerning those in the media, that would thus be considered proof, making hearsay truth.
I don't know about this issue, because, personally, I hate politics, however, I remember, and even to this day, my mother, who is and has always been a politically active and well-informed American, has always said that Jews control the media and it is her opinion that that is the reason that American news is so one-sided and lacking in information and truth.
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Do'em all brother Shobuz! :)
August 16, 2005 - 02:34 AM
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Pour more info to the discussion blog!
I encourage you to contribute to the "member story" section of the TIG.
Please do. You're obviously doing a lot of social entrepreneurship and it would really be interesting to know what keeps you motivated.
Don't misunderstand me, I do think your blog's the most interesting and cool but it would really be great if you added more of your personality to the exerpts from the media publications that you are posting Olexi
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 16, 2005 - 06:42 AM
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°Olexi seems very unhappy to shobuz ???
read my all post t'n u'll understand everything.
but friend don't think bad of me.
And sorry i can't reply details cuz am very busy these dayz.But thankz a lot for your beautiful comments.Keep in touch.
°Sarah thankz for ur comment also and u r right.
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by Bitsy
Hi urssulasss,
First I want to distance myself from this topic as such, as I am only repeating things I have read or opinions and thoughts of others.
Having said that, I am looking at the things being said ABOUT the topic. This is not a case of generalization. It is a generalization to say or believe something like "men can't be trusted," "Muslims are terrorists" - those are generalizations. Saying that the American media is controlled by Jews is not a generalization about Jews. First of all, that statement in and of itself contains no judgmental or discriminatory element - it is a statement about the media that can be proven as a fact, or disproven as fiction. A parallel statement would be to say "the President of the United States is a Christian". Whether the statment is true or false, this is neither generalization nor discrimination. It only becomes such once you begin to attach judgments to "Christians."
In this case, the possible fictional aspect (not a generalization) would be the statement or implication that the Jews who are controlling the media (i.e. not a generalizing statement about all Jews) meticulously select only the information, news stories etc. they want the American public to know and how the stories are presented in order to manipulate public opinion in their own favor and to suit their own personal biases and goals. There are people, like my mother, who believe that is true. As for me, I don't know and I have other things to think about.
Concerning the things you wrote about media and situations in other places in the world, that would be a different topic. I am only writing concerning American media and what was written in the letter posted, as this is the subject of the thread.
Don't worry, I'm not offended : )
Ok I follow why this is not a generalization. But I think everyone is missing my point here. Yes, many of the employees may be Jews, so what! Why identify a person by their religion? And what is being implied by stating that the media is ’controlled’ by the Jews? That Jews are unfair people? I think the reason the US media is Bias because of America itself. The American education is really messed up. Who are they going to blame for that next?
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Shobuz you really RULE!
August 17, 2005 - 03:29 AM
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I'll definitely add those on the list to my favourite sites .
Freedom of information for all!)
I think you shoud pour some humour (like anecdotes or sth ) into all this, because some people are taking this all to serious
Keep on working brother SHOBUZ!
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 04:59 AM
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well, some things need to be talked about seriously (olexi) ... at some points this subjects is very serious as at some is ... well, u all know it by yourselves. i liked the thoughts of u all (bitsy, olexi, sarah, jacob). everyone of u has its own point and they are all good. i think this should not be discussed as it has been anymore. this is my last post to this thread (i think). let us better talk about sth else, it has been already talked about this subject too much. well, if u want to discuss about a certain thing it would be better to open a new thread, i think we've all lost the point in this one in a way ... again, i hope i did not wrote down too much nonsese ... byebye
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by Bitsy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sarah-nasser
[B]It is highly inaccurate and extremely hateful to generalize. The accusation towards a whole nation or a religion will NEVER be correct simply because not all people in a particular group are bad as well as not all are good.
Now Jews controlling the media? That for certain can not be true. Judaism is a religion. Maybe if that is their religious goals, then yes. But that is surely not what Judaism is proclaims. How about people who have converted to Judaism? Do they automatically have power over the media? Do not define people by their religion. Do not label people according to their belief, ethnic background, nation, or life style.
Hi. I think this letter/article may have been misunderstood. It is not making any generalizations about an entire people - or actually, the generalization made here is concerning the American media, not the Jews. Actually, the article to which I was referring is not even here - I had read an article in shobuz' updates which, in fact, listed and named many of the persons in power and repeatedly and ad nauseam pointed out the fact that each one of them was Jewish. If what was written was true concerning those in the media, that would thus be considered proof, making hearsay truth.
I don't know about this issue, because, personally, I hate politics, however, I remember, and even to this day, my mother, who is and has always been a politically active and well-informed American, has always said that Jews control the media and it is her opinion that that is the reason that American news is so one-sided and lacking in information and truth. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok, i totally understand what r u trying to say ... i understand it ... but as u say, jews control the media - sounds very very like u're trying discriminate them, like once hitler did. i'm sorry to say this, but as sarah say, ppl r all postponing and generalizing all bad things to certain religion, nation that is supposed to be, for instance corrupted. although it may be true that mostly jews r in american media place and that there is lack of information or whatever, but i must inform u, as u may know, there are different ppl in the world- bad ones and good ones, with different qualities, and not just in america, but also in other countries too, r certain ppl controling the media. in my country, for istance, there were, and still are, but in a smaller number now, ppl, who were promoting just the side of government, who gave them money and the news were always just one-sided. but everything changes, so did in my country and eventually, we hope, all over the world (look at asian countries, what an "interesting" programs they have in their media, because of their political regimes. so americans, u can't complain, as u don't have so bad news, at all). i hope i didn't say sth wrong. best wishes ...
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by urssulasss
well, some things need to be talked about seriously (olexi) ... at some points this subjects is very serious as at some is ... well, u all know it by yourselves. i liked the thoughts of u all (bitsy, olexi, sarah, jacob). everyone of u has its own point and they are all good. i think this should not be discussed as it has been anymore. this is my last post to this thread (i think). let us better talk about sth else, it has been already talked about this subject too much. well, if u want to discuss about a certain thing it would be better to open a new thread, i think we've all lost the point in this one in a way ... again, i hope i did not wrote down too much nonsese ... byebye
Yea me too, am out of here. Made the point I wanted to make. Peace all.
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 07:11 AM
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Well despite what some well intentioned mothers might think - I'm a Jew in the entertainment industry - and I know basically exatly how much power they wield.
Alot of Feature Film and commercial Producers are Jewish. Some of the Directors are also.
But the Studio exectuives who ultimately make the descisions because they represent the money interests and the distrobution - are more slanted toward Christians.
There are Jews in there - most notibly Speilberg and Katzenberg at Dreamworks, and Eisner over at Disney, but of the 7 Major studios - those are the only Jewish Heads.
Brad Grey is running Paramount, Sheri Lansing I think is still at Sony, Universal is with Ron Meyer etc.
And as for Broadcast Telvision - that is much Populated by Christians.
By the numbers Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are the largest stockholders of media corporations.
NBC is owned by GE which means Jack Welch.
Fox and Fox news are owned by Rupert Murdoch who is Australian.
CNN and a number of Cable franchises are in Ted Turner's Hands.
But this is really not the point - think of the insidness of this claim - the "jews control the media"
When certain people cast conspiracy theories about this - are they talking about Disney - are people really scared of Mickey Mouse? Goofy is pretty frightening I must say.
Finding Nemo - Yeah Disney is a terrifying company.
And if people think Speilberg is a threat to world peac they need to get a life.
What they are talking about is the NEWS media, which shapes our worldview -
Jews don't own ANY 24 hour news Networks, except as private stockholders -
Of the big broadcast news shows ABC is under Disney - the rest are under Christians.
And John Stewart is Jewish - so if you get your news from comedy central...
But the Jews are big in Hollywood - not Broadcast News, and they are entirely seperate sectors of the industry - I don't even know anyone who does the news and I been in entertainment for 6 years.
That is the simple truth.
The article says that
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 09:04 AM
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Hi urssulasss,
First I want to distance myself from this topic as such, as I am only repeating things I have read or opinions and thoughts of others.
Having said that, I am looking at the things being said ABOUT the topic. This is not a case of generalization. It is a generalization to say or believe something like "men can't be trusted," "Muslims are terrorists" - those are generalizations. Saying that the American media is controlled by Jews is not a generalization about Jews. First of all, that statement in and of itself contains no judgmental or discriminatory element - it is a statement about the media that can be proven as a fact, or disproven as fiction. A parallel statement would be to say "the President of the United States is a Christian". Whether the statment is true or false, this is neither generalization nor discrimination. It only becomes such once you begin to attach judgments to "Christians."
In this case, the possible fictional aspect (not a generalization) would be the statement or implication that the Jews who are controlling the media (i.e. not a generalizing statement about all Jews) meticulously select only the information, news stories etc. they want the American public to know and how the stories are presented in order to manipulate public opinion in their own favor and to suit their own personal biases and goals. There are people, like my mother, who believe that is true. As for me, I don't know and I have other things to think about.
Concerning the things you wrote about media and situations in other places in the world, that would be a different topic. I am only writing concerning American media and what was written in the letter posted, as this is the subject of the thread.
Don't worry, I'm not offended : )
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Re: Media control and influence?
August 17, 2005 - 09:48 AM
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This discussion deeply troubles me. I read shobuz’s blog post – much of the information was false and the source behind it was a noted white-supremist/neo-nazi organization. Throughout history there have been false and hateful accusations against Jews, distorting reality to the aims of those behind it; it’s not hearsay, it’s hated.
Jews constitute less than 1% of the world’s population. Even though there are Jews employed in the media, there are plenty of others there as well…and what is meant by “control” anyway? Ever wonder who counts and tells how many Jews are doing what? What do you think their motivation is?
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