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Lewis Best
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Is War Coming?
November 9, 2002 - 04:15 AM
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Ihaven't updated in a while but, follow the resolution on Iraq from the UN, is war going to happen? Iraq must comply with UN resolutions within 7 days, or America says the Iraq will "face grave consequesnces." If Iraq doesn't comply, we could be seeing a war with 10 days. But, if they do, it may only be a time waster. later in the process, Iraq may reject the deal. If war does become reality, will the world follow and will America do it alone?
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Re: Is War Coming?
November 10, 2002 - 03:36 AM
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The second part of your post was pretty much answered by the resolution, if Iraq doesn't comply, then America won't do it alone, because it will now be a UN war (However contradictory that may be). America has allies, and even without the resolution, Britain was there.
I don't think that war will happen. Iraq has shown that they don't want to get into another war that they know they will lose, and the worst part about this is that Saddam knows that if he fights, he will get kicked out of power and probably stand trial for human rights abuses. So he has EVERYTHING to lose, so no, he'll try hard as hell to not have a war.
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Re: Is War Coming?
January 6, 2003 - 09:30 AM
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Yes, war is coming. George W. Bush will use any excuse to start a war.
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Sad but True
January 6, 2003 - 11:58 AM
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The real question is not will there be war - but how many wars will the United States government start in the next 18 months, to try and ensure Pres. Bush's re-election?
And how many people will be killed by the US government, not just in "foreign" wars, but in the US as well, through police brutality, loss of health insurance, etc etc.
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war in inevitable
January 7, 2003 - 01:12 AM
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yes the war will cmoe the main reason for this which i can see at present is can bush back down from his anti iraq stand after making all his preparations for war will it be possible for him to not go to war with iraq and also manage to get re-elected? will it be possible for him to draw a clear line between innocent civillians and terrorists?
who will be next on bush's list ?
iran?
saudi?
pakistan?
which country will bush decide contains anti american elments n try and destroy them?
will bush's war's work ? or will they just help create more anti american sentiment!among the middle eastern nations ?
Palestine the major issue in todays world is left unlooked at while bush pursuses a relatively small threat from posed by saddam!
who will help the innocent women and childre whose house will be bombed in iraq n those whose houses are being bombed now in palestine?
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Is War Coming?
January 7, 2003 - 02:20 AM
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For the sake of the world I hope not. There are more important things to deal with in the world. The money that goes into the war machine could very well be used to create a better world. I kown it sounds like I am advocating utopea, but this is not the case. Is war coming, not if peace is to have a hope of truly coming to this planet. It sadens me to see so many people give in to war. It is rare to see the people who belive peace is possible.
Just my thoughts
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Re: Is War Coming?
January 7, 2003 - 03:02 AM
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I had an interesting conversation with a friend earlier about this matter - will he or won't he? Both of us thought he would, but were struggling to think of any good reason besides he just plain wants to.
And then we came across the idea of honour. It's a bit of left-field concept, but we considered how honour could play a role in international politics.
Our line of thinking went something like this;
Honour exists in terms of feeling as though one can stand up for oneself, is respected for that, and feels satisfied in feeling that they can look after themselves.
America as a society feels aggreived following S-11, and as a result feels (rightly) that it has been slighted. It resisted the urge to strike out directly following the attacks, but this resistence has brought the simmering tensions to the surfacce. Bush is looking for a scapegoat to restore his nation's pride in itself, a way to make America feel strong again - and Iraq is it.
Even though Iraq was not directly responsible for the attacks on America, America considers it a rogue nation because it had previously dishonoured the US (Saddam using a US financed military from the Iran war to invade Kuwait). Papy Bush got justice then, now George W can go one step further and restore America's honour by ridding the world of Saddam and feeling better about it's failings in capturing bin Laden.
It's an idea, it may be true, it may not. What do people think?
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point!!!
January 7, 2003 - 04:51 AM
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u have a point in what ur sayin mossy maybe bush is trying to restore the nations pride in itself or maybe bush also has sumthing to hide or mebbe also there is sumthing going on from which bush wants to draw away the worlds notice!
or mebbe he also needs desprately to have a puppet govmt installed in iraq for some future plan of his?
its tough to tell!!
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Re: Is War Coming?
January 8, 2003 - 08:45 AM
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Im going to take this discussion back to that point made by Xavier; the excuse for war.
I dont think Bush wants to use any excuse to go to war. If he knows whats best for the economy (stupid!) he'll already know War will hurt economic growth, no matter how much tax he takes off dividends. (how many poor people own shares btw?)
Bush's excuse is two pronged;
1) Saddam tried to kill his Daddy.
2) The perceived threat that he could launch a campaign of state-sponsored terror.
The above points aren't in any particular order or priority or effective influence, but they are essentially 'all there is to it.'
The thing is, we all know that the method's of non-violence work in the long-term and works well. Violence only creates more people like those who flew those planes into those towers.
We have to avoid adding fuel to the fires of hate. Its just unfortunate that the American culture has been like a drought among the forests of the poor and disaffected.
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questions n no answers!!!
January 9, 2003 - 04:12 AM
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quote:"We have to avoid adding fuel to the fires of hate"-predattack!
when u say here that we have to avoid adding fuel to the fires of hate agreed we as individuals can do this easily but how will it be possible for us to get across to the american government too to make them realise that nothing constructive can ever come out of a war n esp in todays world. Can we even call it a war?? like the press called the war against afganistan a war against terror where was the war?? it was all one sided there was no or very little retalition i tink that the same will be for iraq as iraq does not have the might to match the americans !! so in the end its jus going to be a large loss of valuable human lives!which the americans will put off as war casualties!!i just cant see the end of this american aggresions if they carry out this war!
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Re: Is War Coming?
January 9, 2003 - 08:05 AM
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The U.S has a long history of aggression. Ultimately its success in controlling and policing the world can be summed up in one sentence: what country was behind the installation of Hussein in the first place?
The U.S it seems is really good at creating its own problems.
I think the best way to get the message across is to join and support the mass movement against war as a means for political change, instead of being against a war on a case by case basis.
The only way a non-violent campaign for non-violent change can work is with mass-support.
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Iraq = Germany? Don't think so
January 12, 2003 - 06:40 AM
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Sigh.
I don't like the idea of war, and I'm really getting quite irritated with politicans telling us that we cannot let Iraq be like Hitler's Germany. Step back for a moment, consider the history, then tell us what you think.
Germany was a surging superpower in the lead up to the Great War of 1914-18, the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand allowing them justification to declare war as an Austrian Ally, and consequentially to implement the Schifflien Plan of invading France through the low countries. They eventually lost the war after the Yanks wandered in and sorted it all out.
The war reparations imposed on the Germans at Versailles were crippling, they not only ensured that Germany would no longer be a military threat to the French, but they would no longer be a sustainable country. Combining the reparations with problems in the labour force and the international depression of the early 1930's discontent rose within Germany and Hitler seized this discontent and turned it into a tangible hatred, a vicious xenophobia directed at Jews, homosexuals, communists, and other minority groups. Hitler restored his people's confidence in their "Vaterland," made them proud to be German again, albeit through denigrating and murdering others.
His war was almost holy for his believers, they were liberating the 'Lebensraum' for pure-blood germans, and this involved invading most of central europe (they just plain didn't like the French, so invaded them too). And we all know what happens then.
Lets now compare Iraq to Hitler's Germany -
1) the Iraqi people DO NOT LIKE Hussein, if the media are to be believed.
2) Iraq are not territorially expanding out of some pseudo-religous gusto (Iraq had never recognised Kuwait)
3) The Iraqis do not command one of the greatest militaries in the world
4) the UN sanctions are barbaric, much like many of the Versailles restrictions - but they are pretty effective, Iraq does not and cannot stockpile huge resources for a war, and is by all signs lacking WMD
Can someone please then tell me, how we (the west) run the risk of appeasing Iraq?
It appears more to me as if we are appeasing the US, allowing them to go about readying a war machine with intent to invade sovereign territory in a zealous attempt to restore national pride and rid of the world of undesirables.
I don't like Hussein. I don't particualrly like US foreign policy. And I certainly don't like the idea of war.
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War
January 12, 2003 - 09:02 AM
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One interesting thing has happened since I started this discussion, the US has move over 95,000 troops to the Persian Gulf. BUT, the US hasne't said they are starting a war. They infact say that Iraq can avoid a war. I think that Bush is looking for any excuss to invade Iraq. But here is the scary bit. If Hussein in overturned, the US has said that they will set up a "military government" in Iraq to get the Iraqis back on firm ground. But, they want the oil. This war, if it becomes one, could become "Gulf War 2" but on a larger scale, if the US is not careful.
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question?!
January 12, 2003 - 11:08 AM
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pred....
do you think starting a online campaingn agaisnt the war against iraq would help??
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war
January 12, 2003 - 11:49 AM
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I don't know whether war is coming or not. Right now, it looks very possible. I am conflicted about the war. I don't know if I would support a war or not. I know war is ugly and should be approached with caution, but how do you know when to go to war? The world tried to appease Hitler and look what happened.
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