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Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
May 16, 2005 - 04:07 AM

I am drenched in historical confusion. So tell me, who was the last Pharaoh? And are their descendants still alive today?

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Phraohs are dead: their arrogance is condemned
May 16, 2005 - 07:25 AM

The fate of Phraoh is a lesson for all who are arrogant.


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Thats true but:-)
May 21, 2005 - 05:32 AM

Arrogance is a form of mediocrity. So what you are saying is that the Pharaohs were arrogant and thus wiped out of the faced of the earth with no descendants today?


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
May 26, 2005 - 04:59 AM

hey who says so? the pharohs did not just extinted from the face of the earth. What happened is that the pharonic rule in ancient egypt passed a phase of weakness and there was a new threat coming as the Greeks so what happened is that the Greeks entered Egypt and they intermarried with the pharohs and after them came the Romans who also intermarried with the egyptians and after them came alot and alot of nations till the arabs came and they did not leave so the egyptians of today all of them have the pharohs genes within them. besides if you want to know i carry the pharohs blood and i'm proud tp declare that it is clear because my family belongs to upper egypt where they refused to intermarry with the invadors and where intermarrying with each other so most of the families from upper Egypt are considered the descendante of the pharohs.
And please can you tell me where did you get the idea that the pharohs were arrogant coz this is new information to me.


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Just a question:-)
May 27, 2005 - 07:37 AM

Dalmaa,

Actually, mine was just a question in regard to Messrs. Mukhtar's answer to my initial questioning. I dont know much about the Pharaohs and would very much like to know if ever their descendants still keep their age-old traditions. Tell me more:-)

Tell me more about Asheerah, Aeth, Isis, Thoth,...:-)


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
July 5, 2005 - 11:51 AM

Well, Mukhtar Alam is talking about "Pharaoh" or "Fir'awn", the King of Egypt by the time of Moses, as mentioned in the Qur'an, the Muslim Holy Book. From a religious perspective..."Fir'awn" was arrogant...but that's something we have to put aside if we want to know about the ancient Egyptian civilization.

Historians divide the ancient Egyptian history into 30 dynasties. The first King "Pharaoh" who united upper and lower Egypt was Na'armer or "Menes" in 3200 BC,he was the founder of the "Old Kingdom" and the first dynasty. The pyramids of Egypt were built in that old Kingdom, including Cheops, Khephre, Mykerinus, and Zoser Pyramids in Giza and Sakkara.

Then an era of internal turbulence and weakness came up, and Egypt was divided into tiny kingdoms, then it was the "Middle Kingdom". The Middle Kingdom was marked by Pharaoh "Akhenaton" or Amenophis IV, who founded the first monotheistic belief in the ancient Egyptian civilization..it's marked also by his successor, the famous "Tut-'Ankh-Amon".

The middle Kingdom ended by the Hyksos invasion of Egypt, that lasted for 150 years. Then king Ahmose, liberated the country from the Hyksos, and founded the New Kingdom in the early 1000s BC, as well as the 17th dynasty.

The New Kingdom witnessed the expansion of the ancient Egyptian Empire, the great temples, the valley of the Kings and Queens, King Rameses, King Thutmose, and Queen Hatchepsut.

However, the Pharaonic civilization ended by longs centuries of foreign occupation: Nubians, Lybians, Cypriots, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and then came the Muslims under 'Amr Ibn-Al-'Aas in 641 AD.

In those tough years, the ancient Egyptian language exhibited several changes; it was written in Greek letters when the Greeks came, then those letter changed a little bit from the original Greek ones, especially when Christendom entered Egypt. The language became known as the "Coptic" language since then.

Note the ancient Egypt was called "Kemet" in ancient Egyptian, then "Kebet",...meaning that Copt (Kobt), was a synonym of the word "Egytpian". The term is modernly used too as a synonym of the followers of the Egyptian Orthodox Church.


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Thats better
July 7, 2005 - 07:40 AM

How did the expansion of the Ottoman Empire affect the Pharaonic rule?

Was there any trade between Ancient Egypt and the Southern Africans? What were they?


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
July 8, 2005 - 03:16 AM

Dear Simbowo,

the Ottomans founded their "empire" in 1453 AD, when Sultan Muhammad Al-Fatih seized Constantinople from the Byzantines.

The end of the Pharaonic Era was marked by Alexander's invasion of Egypt in 323 BC.

You're talking about a gap of more than 1000 years!


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October 16, 2005 - 09:11 AM

What is the relationship between the barbars, the tigres, and the babylonian empire? How about the Phoenicians who were they are their descendants present? Is there anybody who can today claim direct descent from Pharaoh?
Are Somalis a branch of the arabic nation or are they related to the indians? What about the Tamils and Somalis? Any connection?
And the Aborigines and the Tamils/Indians? Any link?


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Further questions
October 16, 2005 - 09:12 AM

I have always seen some black/dark skinned people in the tribal villages of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. Is there any link between them and the African continent or the Tamils, the Aborigines, Somalis and other dark skinned people in the world?


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
October 17, 2005 - 06:33 AM

Originally posted by SIMBOWO
I have always seen some black/dark skinned people in the tribal villages of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran. Is there any link between them and the African continent or the Tamils, the Aborigines, Somalis and other dark skinned people in the world?


Blak color is due to increase of melanin dye in skin to avoid sun burn and it is good for people in hot areas so you can find people arund equator have this dye in degrees and it is a gift from Allah to protect them from sunm while in cold areas you find white people in degrees.
about pharaoes they are the kings of the ancient civilization . some believed in monothism and others followed Moses pharaoeh who tried to submit when he was drawn and going to die but Allah saved his ded body till now for people to see what happened to injustic pharaoh but there are still many till these days does not learn from history
salam (peace)


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
October 18, 2005 - 03:54 AM

EGYPTIAN HISTORY IN RELATION TO THE PHARAOHS
From historical perspective the sublime of the pharaonic rule was not about arrongance but the changes in the political situations of that period as documented in historical papers and books even though the normal pharaonic marriage alliance was for an immediate betrothal to a sister or half-sister, so that the pharaoh's descendants could be perpetuated it worked for them but what about the dynamics of politics and expansionism?

Pre-dynastic history

Archaeological evidence suggests that Egypt was inhabited by hunters over 250,000 years ago when the region was a green grassland. The Palaeolithic period around 25,000BC brought climatic changes which turned Egypt into a desert. The inhabitants survived by hunting and fishing and through a primitive form of cultivation. Desertification of Egypt was halted by rains which allowed communities of cultivators to settle in Middle Egypt and the Nile Delta. These farmers grew wheat, flax and wove linen fabrics in addition to tending flocks.

The first indigenous civilizations in Egypt have been identified in the south of the country through archaeological excavations. The Badarian culture is the earliest known developed Egyptian civilization based on farming, hunting and mining. Badarians produced fine pottery and carved objects as well as acquiring turquoise and wood through trading.

The Naqada lived in larger settlements about 4,000BC and produced decorated pottery and figurines made from clay and ivory which indicate they were a war-like people. Naqada artefacts from 3,300BC show further development both in terms of culture and technology. Evidence of irrigation systems and more advanced burial sites, as well as the use of alien materials like lapis lazuli, indicate a cultural diversity and the development of external trading.

Throughout most of its pre-dynastic history Egypt encompassed a multiplicity of settlements which gradually became small tribal kingdoms. These kingdoms evolved into two loosely confederated states: one encompassed the Nile valley up to the Delta (with the Naqada dominating) with Hierakonpolis as capital, represented by the deities Seth and White Crown; the other encompassed the Delta, with Buto as its capital and represented by the deities Horus and Red Crown.

The two kingdoms vied for power over all the land of Egypt. This struggle led to the victory of the south and the unification of the Two Lands in 3100BC under the command of Menes who is also known as Narmer. This was the beginning of the dynastic period of the Pharaohs.

Early Dynastic (Archaeic Period) (3100-2686BC)

This period is shrouded in mythology. Little is known of Menes and his descendants outside of their divine ancestry and that they developed a complex social system, patronized the arts and constructed temples and many public buildings.

The foundation of Memphis, the world's first imperial city, is attributed to Menes. From Memphis the third and fifth kings of the First Dynasty which extended from 3100 to 2890BC set out to conquer the Sinai. During the First Dynasty culture became increasingly refined. The royal burial grounds at Saqqara and Abydos became sites of highly developed mastabas.

The Second Dynasty lasting from 2980 to 2686BC was characterized by regional disputes and a decentralization of Pharaonic authority, a process which was only temporarily halted by the Pharaoh Raneb, also called Hotepsekhemwy. These regional contentions were very likely the outcome of the unresolved conflict between the two deities Horus in the south and Seth in the Delta. Theistic rivalry seems to have been resolved by Khasekhem, the last Pharaoh of the Second Dynasty.
The Old Kingdom (2686-2181BC)

Pharaonic burial practices continued to develop during the Third Dynasty, lasting from 2686-2613BC, which marked the beginnings of the Old Kingdom. The first of Egypt's pyramids were constructed during the 27th century BC. The Step Pyramid of Saqqara built for King Zoser by his chief architect Imhotep, who later generations deified, is considered by many to be the first pyramid ever constructed in Egypt. Prior to this, most royal tombs were constructed of sun-dried bricks. Zoser's gargantuan step pyramid attested to the pharaoh's power and established the pyramid as the pre-eminent Pharaonic burial structure. During Zoser's rule the Sun God Ra attained a supra-eminent place over all other Egyptian deities.

The Fourth Dynasty (2613-2494BC) was characterized by expansionism and pyramid construction. King Sneferu constructed the Red Pyramid at Dahshur near Saqqara and the Pyramid of Meidum in Al-Fayoum. He also sent military expeditions as far as Libya and Nubia. During his reign trading along the Nile flourished. Sneferu's descendants, Cheops (Khufu), Chephren (Khafre) and Mycerinus (Menkaure) were the last three kings of the Fourth Dynasty. These three pharaohs built the pyramids of Giza.

Egypt under Cheops became the first state in the history of the world to be governed according to an organized system. The Fourth Dynasty also extended trade relations with the Near East and mined and smelted copper in Nubia.

The Fifth Dynasty (2490-2330BC) was marked by a relative decline in Pharaonic power and wealth, evidenced by the smaller pyramids of Abu Sir built during this period. The pharaohs ceased to be absolute monarchs and began to share power with the aristocracy and high officials. As the independence of the nobility increased, their tombs became larger and were built at increasing distances from the pharaohs.

Worship of the sun god Ra also spread during the Fifth Dynasty. It was during the reign of Unas that religious texts were placed in the pyramids bearing descriptions of the afterworld which were later gathered into the Book of the Dead.

Decentralization of Pharaonic authority increased during the Sixth Dynasty (2330-2170BC) as small provincial principalities emerged to challenge Pharaonic power. The Sixth Dynasty kings were forced to send expeditions as far as Nubia, Libya and Palestine to put down the separatists, but these campaigns served to further erode the central authority. By the reign of the last Sixth Dynasty Pharaoh Pepi II, the Old Kingdom had become a spent force.

The First Intermediate Period (2181-2050BC)

The demise of the Old Kingdom brought a period of chaos and anarchy which characterized the Seventh Dynasty (2181-2173BC). During this brief period over 70 rulers were said to have laid claim to the throne. The Eighth Dynasty (2173-2160BC) followed the same pattern. Civil disorders multiplied and a drought struck Egypt.

Out of the turmoil and Pharaonic inertia, principalities within the realm rose up to challenge the authority of the kings. Achthoes, ruler of Heracleopolis, seized control of Middle Egypt, seized the throne and founded the Ninth Dynasty (2160-2130BC).

The kings of Heracleopolis maintained control over northern Egypt through the Tenth Dynasty (2130-2040BC). However, the rulers of Edfu and Thebes fought over control of Upper Egypt. The battle over Upper Egypt was won by Thebes and its ruler Inyotef Sehertowy founded the Eleventh Dynasty (2133-1991BC) with the aim of extending his power over all the land.

The north-south battle for control of Egypt ended with the victory of Nebhepetre Mentuhope II who reunited the country under one king and launched the Middle Kingdom.
The Middle Kingdom (2050-1786BC)

Mentuhope II reigned over Egypt for fifty years and re-established political and social order which in turn revived the economic and artistic development that characterized the glory of the Pharaohs. Trading was resumed and mines were reopened. Expansionist campaigns were relaunched against Libya, Nubia and the Bedouins of the Sinai.

His successors Mentuhope III and Mentuhope IV continued to rule from Thebes, maintaining the strength of the Eleventh Dynasty, building and expanding their kingdom until Amenemhat, a minister during the Eleventh Dynasty, assumed the throne and founded the Twelfth Dynasty (1991-1786BC).

Amenemhat moved his capital from Thebes back to Memphis. From here he annexed Nubia and extended his kingdom to the land of Sham, as far as Syria and Palestine. Al Fayoum became the capital of the Middle Kingdom during the reign of Amenemhat's son Senusert I. His successors Amenemhat II and SenusertIII built the last pyramids in Lahun, Lisht and Hawara.

During this long period provincial governors or nomarchs began to vie for power and threaten the Pharaonic authority and it is said that the power of the nomarchs was gradually eliminated. Over time the central authority weakened, leading to civil disorder and instability and a prolonged period of upheaval.
The Second Intermediate Period (1786-1567BC)

The Thirteenth and Fourteenth Dynasties were powerless to put down the Hyskos, tribal warlords with foreign support who seized control of the Delta, establishing the capital of Avaris and moving south. Despite their alien origins (Hyskos means "Princes of Foreign Lands&quotwink and foreign ties, the Hyskos assumed an Egyptian identity and ruled as pharaohs.

The Hyskos dominion was shaken by Thebes which established the Seventeenth Dynasty and, under Wadikheperre Kamose, laid siege to Avaris. When his successor Ahmosis expelled the Hyskos from Egypt in 1567BC, the New Kingdom was born.
The New Kingdom (1567-1085BC)

Ahmosis founded the Eighteenth Dynasty (1567-1320BC) which reigned over the first part of a prosperous and stable imperial period during which Pharaonic culture flowered and Egypt became a world power.

During the Eighteenth Dynasty Nubia was subdued and its wealth of gold, ivory, gemstones and ebony flowed into Egypt. Pharaonic armies conquered the Near East, Syria and Palestine and workers from these new-established colonies, and a cultural cross-fertilization took place as artisans and intellectuals transplanted their knowledge, skills and culture onto Egyptian soil.

The temple of Karnak at Thebes grew with the expansion of empire. Tuthmosis I constructed the first tomb in the Valley of the Kings. His daughter reigned as pharaoh and built the temple of Deir Al-Bahri. Tuthmosis III expanded the empire beyond Nubiaand across the Euphrates to the boundaries of the Hittites.

Imperial expansion continued under Amenophis II and Tuthmosis IV. The reign of Amenophis III was the pinnacle of Egyptian Pharaonic power. Under Amenophis III the kingdom was secure enough for the Pharaoh to build many of the greatest Pharaonic structures including the Temple of Luxor.

His son Amenophis IV fought with the priesthood of the god Amun and changed his name to Akhenaten in honour of the god Aten . With his wife Nefertiti Akhenaten he established a new capital at Tel El-Amarna dedicated to the worship of Aten, which many believe was the first organized monotheistic religion. Both his predecessors and successors denounced his beliefs as heresy.

During their short reign (1379-1362BC) Pharaonic obsession with the afterlife was banished as was the old idolatry. Art began to reflect human concerns. This was called the Amarna revolution, which barely survived Akhenaten's reign. His successor Smenkhkare upheld Akhenaten's ideals but died within a year, leaving the child pharaoh Tutankhamen under the influence of the priesthood who easily convinced him to renounce the monotheism of his father-in-law and return to rule from Thebes.

This period has been called the Theban counter-revolution during which time the priesthood destroyed any traces of Akhenaten's reign, including the Temple of the Sun at Karnak.

Tutankhamen ruled for nine years until just before reaching manhood, when he died. He is most remembered in modern times for the fabulous and pristine treasures uncovered when his tomb was discovered in 1922. Tutankhamen was succeeded by Ay and Horemheb, the last Eighteenth Dynasty kings, both of whom worked to eradicate Akhenaten's revolutionary beliefs and restore the status quo.

The Nineteenth Dynasty (1320-1200BC) was established by the Horemheb's wazir, or minister, Ramses I who reigned for two years. Ramses and his descendants were warrior kings who recaptured territories lost under Akhenaten. His successor Seti I regained control over Egypt's eastern colonies in Palestine, Nubia and the Near East. Seti I also began construction on a majestic temple at Abydos which was completed by his son Ramses II who reconquered Asia Minor.

Ramses also constructed monumental structures like the Ramesseum in Thebes and the sun temples of Abu Simbel. His son Merneptah spent much of his reign driving back invaders from Libya and the Mediterranean but he is believed to be the biblical Pharaoh described in Exodus. Seti II was the last king of the Nineteenth Dynasty.

The Twentieth Dynasty (1200-1085BC) was to be the last of the New Kingdom and was first established by Sethnakhte. By the reign of his successor Ramses III, the kingdom was occupied with defending itself against Libyan and "Sea People" invasions. Ramses III constructed the enormous palace temple of Medinet Hebu but the empire had begun to disintegrate with strikes, assassination attempts and provincial unrest.

His successors, who were all named Ramses, presided over the decline of their empire until Ramses XI withdrew from active control over his kingdom, delegating authority over Upper Egypt to his high priest of Amun, Herihor, and of Lower Egypt to his minister Smendes. These two rulers were the last of the New Kingdom.
The Late Period (1085-322BC)-THE LAST PHARAONIC AGE

The Twenty-First Dynasty was established by successors of Herihor and Smendes who continued to rule Upper and Lower Egypt separately from Thebes and Tanis. But by this period external threats from Libyan invaders and others were eroding Egypt's power to defend itself. Eventually both Upper and Lower Egypt succumbed to foreign invasions. The Tanites were driven from power by Libyan warriors who established their own Twenty-Second Dynasty.

Upper Egypt held out longer against Nubian invaders until being overrun by the armies of their ruler Piankhi all the way to Memphis. Piankhi's brother Shabaka marched north to conquer the Delta and reunite Upper and Lower Egypt under the Twenty-Fifth Dynastyof Nubian Kings (747-656BC). During this period there was an artistic and cultural revival. The Twenty-Fifth Dynasty ended when Assyrian armies captured Memphis and attacked Thebes, driving the Nubian pharaoh Tanutamun back to Nubia.

The Assyrians found a willing Egyptian collaborator in the form of a prince from the Delta. Psammetichus I governed on behalf of the Assyrians until they were forced to withdraw their forces to wage war against the Persian Empire. On the departure of the Assyrians, Psammetichus I declared himself pharaoh and established the Twenty-Sixth Dynasty, ruling over a re-united Egypt from his capital at Saïs in the Delta. This was to be the last great Pharaonic age which witnessed the revival of majestic art and architecture and the introduction of new technologies.

Gradually, though, the power of the kingdom was eroded through invasion, ending ignominiously when Amasis, "the Drunkard", was forced to depend on Greek forces to defend his Kingdom against the onslaught of Persian imperial armies.

The Persians first invaded Egypt in 525BC, initiating a period of foreign domination of the country which lasted until 1952, when an Egyptian republic replaced the monarchy of King Farouk. The conquering Persians established the Twenty-Seventh Dynasty (525-404BC) which ruled Egypt with an iron hand.

The Persians, under the emperors Cambyses and Darius, completed a canal connecting the Nile with the Red Sea which had been started by the Twenty-Sixth Dynasty king Necho II. They also constructed temples and a new city on the site of what is now called Old Cairo. This was called Babylon in Egypt.

The harshness of Persian rule resulted in revolts against the Persian satraps Xerxes and Artaxerxes which led to the Twenty-Eighth dynasty of the Egyptian ruler Amyrtaeus and his successors. The Egyptian kings of succeeding dynasties were under continual attack by Persians until the Thirtieth and final Pharaonic dynasty was overthrown by Artaxerxes III, remaining under Persian domination until the arrival of Alexander the Great in 332BC.
Greek Rule (332-30BC)

After centuries of upheaval and foreign incursions, Egypt was in disarray when Alexander established his own Pharaonic rule, reorganizing the country's government, founding a new capital city of Alexandria and validating the religion of the pharaohs.

Upon his death in 323BC, the empire of Alexandria was divided among his Macedonian generals. Ptolemy I thus established the Ptolemaic Dynasty which ruled Egypt for three centuries. Under the Ptolemys Greek became the official language of Egypt and Hellenistic culture and ideas were introduced and synthesized with indigenous Egyptian theology, art, architecture and technology. The Ptolemy's synthesis of religious ideas resulted in the construction of the temples of Edfu and Kom Ombo, among other sacred structures. Alexandria became a great capital, housing one of history's greatest libraries.

Gradually Ptolemaic rule was subverted by internal power struggles and foreign intervention. The Romans made inroads into Ptolemaic Egypt, supporting various rulers and factions until attaining total control over the country when Julius Caesar's armies attacked Alexandria.

Queen Cleopatra VII was the last of the Ptolemaic rulers who reigned under the protection of the Caesar with whom she had a son. With the assassination of Caesar, Mark Antony arrived in Egypt and fell in love with Cleopatra, living with her for 10 years and helping Egypt retain its independence. The fleets of Octavian Caesar destroyed the Egyptian navy in the battle of Actium, driving Antony and Cleopatra to suicide and Egypt became a province of the Roman Empire.
Roman and Byzantine Rule (30BC-AD638)

Octavian Caesar became the first Roman ruler of Egypt, reigning as the Emperor Augustus. Egypt became the granary of the Roman Empire and remained stable for about 30 years. The Romans, like their Greek predecessors, synthesized many Egyptian beliefs with their own, building temples at Dendara and Esna and Tranjan's kiosk at Philae. Hellenism remained a dominant cultural force and Alexandria continued to be a centre of Greek learning.
The Christian era began in Egypt with the spectacular biblical Flight of the Holy Family from Palestine. To this day the stages of the journey of Mary, Joseph and their infant Jesus are marked by shrines and churches. According to Coptic tradition, it was not until the arrival of Saint Mark that Christianity was established in Egypt during the reign of Nero. Saint Mark began preaching the gospel in about AD40 and established the Patriarchate of Alexandria in AD61.

The Egyptian Coptic Church expanded over three centuries in spite of Roman persecution of Christian converts throughout the Empire. In AD202 persecutions against Copts were initiated by the Roman authorities, continuing for nearly a century. In AD284, during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian, a bloody massacre of Coptic Christians took place from which the church has dated its calendar. Christianity was legalized and adopted as the official religion of the Roman Empire by the Emperor Constantine.

By the 3rd century AD the Roman Empire was in decline as a result of internal strife, famine and war, finally splitting into eastern and western empires. The eastern empire based in Constantinople became known as the Byzantine empire. The western empire remained centred in Rome.

The legalization of Christianity did not stop Roman persecution of the Coptic Christians because the Byzantine church was based upon fundamentally different beliefs than those of the Coptic Christian church which had adopted a Monophysite belief in the total divinity of Christ, as opposed to the Byzantine belief that Christ was both human and divine. The schism between the Byzantine and Coptic churches was never closed.

The Copts were formally excommunicated from the orthodox church at the Council of Chalcedon in AD451 and established their own Patriarchate at Alexandria. The fifth century was also a time when monasticism emerged and the Coptic monasteries of Saint Catherine, Saint Paul and Saint Anthony were established as well as those at Wadi Natrun and Sohaag.

Apart from this doctrinal upheaval, the Byzantine rule over Egypt remained relatively stable until the coming of Islam.


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Re: Of Pharaohs and Pyramids
October 18, 2005 - 10:27 AM

GREAT EFFORT
THANX
CAN YOU CONTINUE PLEASE
SALAM


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African history and egyptian civilisation
December 2, 2005 - 01:49 AM

that was indeed a great report. i understand taking the strength in our history as africa, nothing can stop us from being whoever we desire to be.


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Lingering question
December 5, 2005 - 03:51 AM

I have enjoyed reading this thread. It has certainly filled in many blank spaces in my knowledge and understanding of Phaeronic history.

However, a question which still puzzles me:

With all of the references in the Bible of Egypt (the Moses stories, the Diaspora, the wanderings of Jesus) why is there no mention whatever of the Pyramids? Certainly they must have been known to the writers of the Bible, but nowhere can I find any reference to them.

Any ideas?


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