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Sunil Swaminathan Iyer
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A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 03:16 AM
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The LTTE is probably the most violent terrorist group in the world. They have killed several world leaders including two Sri Lankan Presidents and an Indian Prime Minister.
There might a peace process in Sri Lanka but LTTE massacres continue everyday.
This is a racist group that has cleansed Sri Lanka's north of Sinahlese and Tamil people.
Shouldn't the world recognize them as a full-fledged terrorist outfit and ban them?
Here is proof of their activities.
http://www.sinhaya.com/Massacres.htm
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/terrorism.html
http://www.army.lk/News_Reports/September01/news_043_Sep_2001.htm
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 01:28 AM
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Luke
The LTTE is a group that is fighting for an independent Tamil state in Northern and Eastern Sri Lanka. They are a dreaded group that has indulged in the worst suicide bombings and even used 7 year-old girls in their activities.
The LTTE even bombed the airport in Colombo, destroying half the fleet of Sri Lankan Airlines in 2001
Their leader VeluPillai Prabhakaran has more blood on his hands than even Osama and believe me, I am not exagerating.
Please open Aryabrahmin's links. I will try and find some others links for you
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 03:04 AM
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The Tamil Tigers are the LTTE. LTTE stands for Liberation Tamil Tigers of Eelam. They have nothing to do with Kashmir.
The LTTE is a racist terrorist group that has committed terribel crimes against humanity. They have even attacked and killed innocent Buddhsit pilgrims at two of the mostscared sites.
The LTTE is led by a tyrannical Fascist called Pirubihakaran. He brainwashes innocent Tamils to join the war and kill all Sinhalese in Sri Lanka.
There is a cease-fire in Sri Lanka but the LTTE is just regrouping.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 03:32 AM
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I guess I don't understand - it seems that if India really wanted to deal with these groups it could.
If they are all in a certain area they must have schools which teach hate, leaders which preach hate, arms, plans - India is an enormous country why do they not just crush this group - how long has it been operating? Does it enjoy popular support in that area?
Sri Lanka is a small country - are you saying half of it wants to divide? And go where? Why do they think things will be better on their own?
Why not reform the current political structure? Is this a oppressed minority group - do they just want to be in charge? What?
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 04:29 AM
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This is really complicated but let me explain a few facts.
All of Sri Lanka's inhabitants are immigrants from India. The Sinhalese who form the majority on the island arrived before the Tamils. There were many bitter wars between Tamil and Sinhalese Kingdoms.
Over the centuries, the Tamils mainly settled in the north and east.
Then Sri Lanka was colonised by the Portuguese and then the British. The British played one community against the other.
In 1948, Sri Lanka became independent.
Tamil Leaders in the North and East wanted autonomy and a equal rights for their language.
Unfortuantely some racist policies by the Sinhalese politicians fanned the flames of separatism from the Tamil-majority areas. There were a few state-sponsored pogroms against Tamils in different parts of Sri Lanka in 1983.
The Tamils appealed to India for help and instead of minding its own business, India created the militant groups including the LTTE.
An accord was reached in 1987 between India and Sri Lanka, where Indian Peace-Keepers would try and well keep peace. The LTTE turned on India and there were many battles.
India withdrew in 1990.
Since then, India has been out of the picture.
The LTTE on the other hand has been waging a war on Sri Lanka.
A few years ago, Norway brokered a peace process and while there is a cease-fire, the LTTE violates it regularly. The LTTE's basic demands were all met by Sri Lanka but despite this, they want to continue a war against Sri Lanka.
LTTE's suicide bombers have killed hundreds of thousands of Sri Lankans. The LTTE wants a Tamil nation to be carved out of Sri Lanka. The Sri Lankans have managed to split the LTTE, which is run by the Sri Lankan Osama, V. Prabhakaran.
The 2 factions are now fighting for control.
Most Tamils in Sri Lanka are happy with their rights and just want a normal life.
In case, the LTTE gets an independent state, the Sinhalese parts of Sri Lanka would drive out the entire Tamil population to this new state.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 06:42 AM
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Wonderful - sounds like fun.
forgive my simplicity but why isn't India painting a target on this guy Prabhakaran's back? India is a large country - if they want to lock down those areas for a beat - find the LTTLE and clean them out - why don't they?
If there are elements who are only interested in war - they must go. You said they got what they wanted in a peace deal - did they? What are they holding out for? There may be some warlords among the Tamils whose powerbase depends on the existance of conflict.
Regardless I don't think India should leave its neighbor to the mercy of terrorists.
Two seperate countries on an Island that small is stupidity.
The Tamils should clean their own house. Are these Tigers "Freedom fighters"?
Are the Tamils included the current political structure of the Sri Lankan government?
Revolutionaries often have trouble ceasing the revolt.
One idea might be to build a national economy that involved both sides and encouraged nationalism.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 13, 2005 - 12:49 PM
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can someone please explain this to me - so LTTL is an Indian group or a Sri Lankan group? They want to accomplish what?
And the Tamil Tigers are a terorrist organization - are they the same as LTTL are they fighting it?
Do either group have anything to do with Kashmir?
I am sorry but I am ignorant of much of the Indian area and would like to better understand
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 14, 2005 - 01:35 AM
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I disagree with Ajay on Sri Lanka's so-called oppression of Tamils.
Tamil, English and Sinhalese have been accorded equal statsu in Sri Lanka. Everywhere, everything is written in all three langauges. This has always been the case.
But Piurbaharan and his terrorists have been out to seize power. They are just power-hungry violent and blood-thirsty terrorists.
I am a Tamil living in a place where Tamil is not the spoken language, though many know Tamil. I live in Bangalore, where Kannada and Englsih are the main language. But I don't blow up buildings and kill people because they refuse to speak Tamil.
Tamils in Sri Lanka need to live like good minorities. Their languauge is preserved and protected.
Luke, most Sri Lankan Tamils don't support the LTTE. The LTTE forces people to join them or threatens them with death. In case a man doesn't join the LTTE in north Sri Lanka, then they rape all the women in his family.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 14, 2005 - 06:18 AM
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I just don't understand how India can be sitting on the sidelines at this point.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 14, 2005 - 10:02 AM
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India is not doing enough but that does not mean, India is doing nothing.
There are elements in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu that support the LTTE and the Indian Government arrested a terrorist politician called Vaiko for his links to the LTTE. There have been clampdowns on Indian Tamil assistance to the LTTE.
India is closely working with the Sri Lankan Navy to capture the "Sea Tigers". The Indian military is also training the Sri Lankan Army in fighting against the guerilla warfare.
Pirubaharan is number 3 on India's most wanted list. But the country won't make a serious attempt to nab him as some LTTE suicide bomber might just kill India's Prime Minister. The LTTE is far worse than Hamaas or any other group.
Plus India doesn't want to militarily intervene as there is technically a peace process going on.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 15, 2005 - 03:15 AM
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I see.
What connection do the Tigers have with other organizations like Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Brotherhood etc?
Where do they get their weapons? They are not manufacturing them locally I assume so they must be imported.
What status is their activity - are they in a period of heavy activity or light?
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 17, 2005 - 03:21 AM
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They are in a period of light activity but they violate the cease-fire agreement every day. The groups has been divided and the man in the East is called Karuna. He opposed Pirubaharan.
Pirubaharan being a Fascist dictator wants to kill Karuna.
The LTTE gets funds from Sri Lankan Tamils living in the west. They are connected with Al Qaeda and Hamas and Pakistan's ISI, which is also connected with the dreaded terrorist groups. It is believed that many LTTE units get training in Pakistan. That might explain Dalit's affection for Pakistan.
Pirubaharan is still recruiting and forcibly abducting children into his army. 7 year-old girls are trained to fight the Sri Lankan army and are asked to swallow cyanide caught. Any child refusing to join the LTTE gets raped by Pirubaharan or his LTTE cadres.
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 17, 2005 - 05:56 AM
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I would like to think the ISI is reforming itself. I thought the US influence would drive out many of the Islamic radicals.
what does the peace process intend to accomplish - what is the proposed compromise?
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 22, 2005 - 03:08 AM
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India is not a very aggressive country...i assume this is one of the reasons why they are taking such a stand-off. Also, they dont want to be seen as agressors by the world, since this makes their case for Kashmir worse. It may be the right thing for India to pursue these Tamil Tigers, but for world relations, they cannot.
Luke, I read an OpEd in the NYTimes about suicide bombings in general, but it also spoke alot about the LTTE in Sri Lanka. I tried to get the link for you, but i think you have to pay membership to Nytimes [Title: "Blowing up an Assumption"]...Anyway, just search Robert A. Pape. He is the author of the article. I dont really agree with all he's said (in regards to Iraq and Israel), but the first information i got about sri lanka and the LTTE is from his OpEd.
This topic has been very relevant because of all those suicide bombings going in Iraq...i assume thats what sparked this conversation?
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Re: A neutral account of the problem
May 28, 2005 - 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
They have killed several world leaders including two Sri Lankan Presidents
who r the two SL presidents killed by LTTE ?
Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
Shouldn't the world recognize them as a full-fledged terrorist outfit and ban them? Here is proof of their activities.
sorry - world recognize the united states of eelam under surya thevan.
only salvation of dalits!
Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
Here is proof of their activities. http://www.sinhaya.com/Massacres.htm http://www.lankaweb.com/news/terrorism.html http://www.army.lk/News_Reports/Sep...43_Sep_2001.htm
didnt u find better sites than 3'd class SLG and singhalese army links.
Originally posted by STAMFORD05
India is not a very aggressive country...i assume this is one of the reasons why they are taking such a stand-off. Also, they dont want to be seen as agressors by the world
sorry - indian army invaded eelam – killed, raped, slaughtered many. want proof ?
LTTE defeated Indian army & saved thamilians in eelam.
indian army withdrawn – with heavy loses from eelam.
Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
They are connected with Al Qaeda and Hamas and Pakistan's ISI, which is also connected with the dreaded terrorist groups. It is believed that many LTTE units get training in Pakistan
proof please ?
Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
Any child refusing to join the LTTE gets raped by Pirubaharan or his LTTE cadres.
utter rubbish – proof please ?
Originally posted by AryaBrahmin
There are elements in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu that support the LTTE and the Indian Government arrested a terrorist politician called Vaiko for his links to the LTTE.
dalit nation salute Hon vaiko fer his bravery
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