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April 13, 2005 - 02:02 AM
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SAVE THE PPL WHO ARE BEING KILLED RAPED GANG RAPED BURNT DAILY BY INDIA FORCES IN KASHMIR.
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/albidx.htm
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Re: kashmir
April 13, 2005 - 02:28 AM
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Oh my....that is soo bad, have heard about the genocide in Kashmir. What to do to help? Or is there really nothing to do.
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Re: kashmir
April 16, 2005 - 12:13 PM
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Please consider the credibility of the report and the person posting it here. Which organisation has written the report? Where else has it been covered?
This "Dalit" has a bizarre obsession with India it looks like.
Sarah,
I suggest you do some reading on Kashmir, both Pakistan and Indian views. Please ignore this user.
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Re: kashmir
April 18, 2005 - 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by dalit
SAVE THE PPL WHO ARE BEING KILLED RAPED GANG RAPED BURNT DAILY BY INDIA FORCES IN KASHMIR.
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/albidx.htm
i have read most of ur articles and i think u pick up the right topic but present it in a wrong way(with some spices on it). As an indian i do know a 'BIT' about the atrocities going in kashmir but u can't blame the whole thing on the Indian forces.Maybe there are few bad ppl in the army,but there are bad ppl everywhere.
I did check the url.And are u sure that the photos shown there potrays the whole picture???(atrocities in kashmir).
i think u should actually give a visit to kashmir before coming to conclusions.
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Re: kashmir
April 18, 2005 - 09:07 AM
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Oh I follow now, thanx for the tip.
Originally posted by YongKyeong
Please consider the credibility of the report and the person posting it here. Which organisation has written the report? Where else has it been covered?
This "Dalit" has a bizarre obsession with India it looks like.
Sarah,
I suggest you do some reading on Kashmir, both Pakistan and Indian views. Please ignore this user.
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Re: kashmir
May 1, 2005 - 07:53 AM
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I know this is a little irrelivant, but I'd like to point out the fact that the title of this thread is very misleading.
"Holocaust in Kashmir" ?????
Using the word Holocaust so loosely isnt a good idea. I understand that there is a conflict going on in kashmir, and people are dying from both sides, but I dont see 8 million deaths or anything even NEAR that number.
Its like those journalists that titled an article about Jenin a few years ago: "Holocaust in Jenin"....
How can you compare 35 deaths (mostly of terrorist militants...btw) to 8 million?
[just incase somone doesnt recognize the 11 million number, that includes also the gypsies, poles, russians, handicaps, and others that were exterminated in addition to the 6 million jews]
Just something I wanted to point out...
Thanks
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Re: kashmir
May 5, 2005 - 02:51 AM
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I agree with you. But this board has been started by a person with a gay obsession with India. He will use any word. Close this thread down
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women in conflict (kashmir)
May 5, 2005 - 06:15 AM
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The conflict situation in Kashmir has not only cost human lives dearly but it has also affected social fabric very badly. Thousands of women are rendered homeless with onone to support them. Disowning of daughter-in-laws by their in-laws after their husband’s death is the common phenomena. Parents feel helpless in supporting their widow daughters and their children. Many women been uneducated among them and without any job are forced to indulge into the activities that any society in any circumstances will not approve. It may be true for western world that women without any support prefer to sustain her life as sex worker rather then taking pension from the government, which they feel, is inadequate for their survival. The story here is altogether different. The question that haunts my mind is that what we as a conscious people are doing to help such victims? Aren’t we responsible for the degradation of such people’s moral, social and religious values? We may come forward to debate and discuss such issues. But when it comes to practically implement them we suddenly become backbenchers. Accusations and criticism are only outcome of such activities.
It is a high time that we as a society should come forward at least to render help to the victims of the conflict rather then looking at the government or any other agencies. Doubting and critically analyzing the works of others is very easy. But to ask oneself what I am doing as a human being to help others is the big task? Post stressed trauma disorders.
Women being the direct as well as indirect victims suffer the most. Emotionally being weaker gender the effect is much more badly. She suffer physically as well as mentally. As a result there is a increase in the depression and stress related problems in the women. Even the presence of onlypsychiatric hospital in valley has manifold such problems among women.
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AUTONOMY!!!
May 6, 2005 - 02:14 AM
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plz allow the Kashmir people to decide their fate – allow them autonomy.
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Re: kashmir
May 7, 2005 - 01:17 AM
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So you call your hate-filled venom laced with garbage and non-credible links as "freedom of expression"
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Re: kashmir
May 7, 2005 - 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by YongKyeong
Close this thread down
this aint India or North Korea. U can’t censor- sorry
ttry ur line in India or North Korea - not hear - too bad.
ever heard abt the concept of ‘freedom of expression’ ? duh
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HINDUSTAN EXPOSED!
May 11, 2005 - 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by YongKyeong
non-credible links as "freedom of expression"
"As the conflict in Kashmir enters its fourth year, central and state authorities have done little to stop the widespread practice of rape by Indian security forces in Kashmir. Indeed, when confronted with the evidence of rape, time and again the authorities have attempted to impugn the integrity of the witnesses, discredit the testimony of physicians or simply deny the charges everything except order a full inquiry and prosecute those responsible for rape".
(Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)
"Since January 1990, rape by Indian occupation forces has become more frequent. Rape most often occurs during crackdowns, cordon and search operations during which men are held for identification in parks or schoolyards while security forces search their homes. In raping them, the security forces are attempting to punish and humiliate the entire community."
('Pain in Kashmir: A Crime of War' issued jointly by Asia Watch and Physicians for Human Rights, May 09, 1993)
"By beginning TV cameras and prohibiting the presence in Kashmir of the International Red Cross and of human rights organization, the Indian authorities have tried to keep Kashmir out of the news."
(`Kashmiri crisis at the flash point', The Washington Times, by columnist Cord Meyer, April 23, 1993)
"(On February 23, 1991), at least 23 women were reportedly raped in their homes at gunpoint (at Kunan Poshpora in Kashmir). Some are said to have been gang-raped, others to have been raped in front of their children ... The youngest victim was a girl of 13 named Misra, the oldest victim, name Jana, was aged 80".
(Amnesty International, March 1992)
"The most common torture methods are severe beatings, sometimes while the victim is hung upside down, and electric shocks. People have also been crushed with heavy rollers, burned, stabbed with sharp instruments, and had objects such as chilies or thick sticks forced into their rectums. Sexual mutilation has been reported".
(Amnesty International, March 1992)
"The worst outrages by the CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force) have been frequent gang rapes of all women in Muslim villages, followed by the execution of the men".
(Eric Margolis, The Ottawa Citizen, December 8, 1991)
"While army troops dragged men from their homes for questioning in the border town of Kunan Pushpura, scores of women say they were raped by soldiers....a pregnant Kashmiri woman, who was raped and kicked, gave birth to a son with a broken arm."
(Melinda Liuin, Newsweek, June 24, 1991)
[Anthony Wood and Ron MaCullagh of the Sundav Observer (June 02, 1992) estimated that over 500 Indian army men were involved in this orgy of rape and plunder in Kunan Pushpura.]
"The security forces have entered hospitals, beaten patients, hit doctors, entered operating theaters, smashed instruments. Ambulances have been attacked, curfew passes are confiscated."
(Asia Watch, May 1991)
"Subjugated, humiliated, tortured and killed by the 650,000-strong Indian army, the people of Kashmir have been living through sheer hell for more than a year, the result of an increasingly brutal campaign of state repression. India hides behind its carefully-crafted image of "non-violence" and presents itself in international forums as a model of democracy and Pluralism. Yet, it is unable to stand up the scrutiny of even its admirers. All journalists, especially television crews, were expelled from the Valley. With no intrusive cameras to record the brutalities of the Indian forces, the world has been kept largely in the dark." (The Toronto Star, January 25, 1991)
"Young girls were now being raped systematically by entire (Indian) army units rather than by a single soldier as before. Girls are taken to soldier's camps and held naked in their tents for days on end. Many never return home....Women are strung up naked from trees and their breast lacerated with knives, as the (Indian) soldiers tell them that their breast will never give milk again to a newborn militant. Women are raped in front of their husbands and children, or paraded naked through villages and beaten on the breasts."
(The Independent, September 18, 1990)
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Re: kashmir
May 13, 2005 - 04:10 AM
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The media is easily corruptable
All those newspapers, agencies and groups are paid by Pakistani agents to spread lies. In fact even your dalitistan.com is funded by Pakistan's ISI.
Basic Facts about the state of Jammu & Kashmir
What is 'Jammu & Kashmir'?
Jammu & Kashmir is a state in India. It is a large state and was ruled by a Maharaja (Indian King) in the past. Jammu & Kashmir is made up of many regions but is called Jammu & Kashmir because the two most populous regions in the state are called Jammu and Kashmir. There are other distinct regions in the state including Ladakh, Gilgit, Baltistan and Skardu. India's neighbour, Pakistan, grabbed many of these regions about 50 years ago. Some parts of the state were forcibly taken over by China. The largest portion of the original state of Jammu & Kashmir remains as a state within India.
What is Kashmir?
Kashmir is a beautiful valley in the northernmost part of India. It is part of a state called Jammu & Kashmir. The Kashmir Valley is surrounded by some of the highest mountain ranges in the world. The valley itself is green and thickly populated. The people of this Valley are highly evolved and have therefore dominated the history and culture of the state.
Where is India?
India is in the southern part of Asia. It is the world's seventh largest country and second only to China in terms of population. In short, it is a huge country. Like the United States of America, India is made up of a number of states. Each state has its own laws and customs but in important national matters, like national security and foreign affairs, each state must obey the Central government based in New Delhi. In the USA, a governor rules each state. Similarly, in each Indian State, the people of the state elect a ruler who is called the chief minister.
What is Pakistan?
Pakistan is a southern Asian country that neighbours India. It was originally a part of India. In 1947, when the British left India, some Muslims wanted a country of their own and got it. This new country was called Pakistan. The leaders of Pakistan felt that they should rule all areas of India where people belonging to the Muslim faith were in a majority. The majority of people in Jammu & Kashmir were Muslims, while others were Hindus and Buddhists. Some Muslims in Jammu & Kashmir wanted to be part of Pakistan while most others did not want that. But the rulers of Pakistan felt that if they could capture Jammu & Kashmir by military force, then the people would have to accept their rule. That is why they attacked the state of Jammu & Kashmir in 1947. At that time, a Maharaja ruled Jammu & Kashmir. Pakistani troops overran most of the state and the Maharaja had to escape to India. He asked India for help and merged his state with India. This was called the accession of the state of Jammu & Kashmir to India. Some Pakistani leaders to this day are unhappy that the whole of Jammu & Kashmir is not part of Pakistan.
What exactly happened in 1947?
Jammu & Kashmir in the year 1947 was an independent country for all practical purposes. The Maharaja who ruled the State had signed agreements with both Pakistan and India to remain neutral and not be part of either country. India honoured that agreement but Pakistan did not. Pakistani raiders and soldiers attacked the state in 1947 forcing the Maharaja to flee to India. The Maharaja asked India to help his people who were being killed and looted by the Pakistani raiders. He also agreed to make Jammu &; Kashmir part of India. The Indian ruler at that time was Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He accepted Jammu &; Kashmir's accession to India and agreed to rescue his people from the Pakistani attackers. Indian troops were flown into the Kashmir Valley and they managed to drive away most of the Pakistani raiders from the state. But a large area of the state remained under the control of Pakistani soldiers. These areas were difficult to reach because they were surrounded by tall mountain ranges. Also, India wanted to stop the fighting. The fighting ended with Pakistan retaining control of a large area of the state but India keeping a larger part.
Please read the rest of it here
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/basicfacts/basics.html
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Re: kashmir
May 15, 2005 - 02:11 AM
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I don't think anyone denies that the conflict in Kashmir is bad. Many people have died and the conflict continues to threaten the whole world with nuclear war.
HOWEVER, people rightly take issue with the use of the word 'Holocaust' in this context.
The Holocaust was a unique event in Human History. It was the industrialized murder of 6 Million Jews, 1.5 Million children and a combined 4 Million Poles, gays and lesbians, disabled and political prisoners.
What's happening is Kashmir doesn't even begin to compare to the horror of 1939-1945.
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Re: kashmir
May 17, 2005 - 01:34 AM
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Yong, I don't think Dalits ideas are any more radical than yours.
You think Kim Jung Il is a man of peace.
So while I do not agree with everything Dalit has to say - I'll defend his right to say it without being insulted - you are stringing so many insults together it sounds like a rap album.
I can't see anything wrong with bringing Kashmir up as a topic for discussion. Obviously there is something to what he is saying and the Amnesty International links are convincing.
I agree with Stamford that calling it a Hollocaust is overstating it.
To my Indian friends - you belong to a basically good country with a basically good government.
However it is possible that your government - or more to the point some soldiers in your army have abused the powers granted them by the Indian government.
This is unfortunate - as an American I can sympathize as I think our government is basically good - but at times, as with Abu Garev etc. Our soldiers misbehave and abuse their power.
Rather then ignoring the reports - or talking about Ghandhi - I think perhaps reform of the military in Kashmir and a consistant review of their activities is in order - so that these abuses can be minimized and the abusers punished.
This seems only sensible.
I agree and do not beleive that India would commit a Hollocaust of either the scale or nature of Germany circa 1940.
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