 Author |
 Post
|
 |
|
Kerr
Joined: Sep 29, 2003
Posts: 3
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female & 23
Country: Canada
Province/State: Ontario
|
Woman Rights
March 5, 2005 - 06:43 AM
|
|
I went to a bookstore in Toronto last week and I was exetremely upset by the folowing two things.
1)I was looking for the "Womens Studies" section for some Feminist history books I was looking for.
The section consisted of two shelves. While books for male readers consisted of 20-40 sections.
2)Then as I was browsing through the magazines it had "Women's Interest" magazines, which consistented of:
"Lose 20 pounds in 20 days",
"How many ways to please your man,"
"Delicious Desserts for that party your hosting"
"Best Ways to clean that dust away."
AND Pictures of beautiful 5'8, 115 pds models as "house wives, moms, and young girls.
I was so mad about this "Women's Interest" section of the store because how many young girls will look at this section when they go to this store and think..."Oh my God this is what I need to do, or I need to look like this...I need to follow these few steps and I will "please my man".
Then doctors wonder why there are so many cases of eating disorders in young women. Take a look at what society is feeding women about how they should look.
As I looked at the other magazine sections their were "Car" sections and "Sports" section for men, so why can't women be interested in sports?, Why cant girls have magazines with cars and naked men together? Because the "gender-roles" are that women cook, clean, and diet while men work, buy cars, play sports, and are sex crazied animals.
This shows that there is HARDLY any change in societies views on Women, just because we can work the same jobs and expect equal rights, doesnt mean we are respected as humans, but that we are still objects and slaves. But dont take this as a block in our path this is just another reminder of what we still need to do in order to be respected and appreciated in "societies views."
Happy International Womens Week.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Pétala Calestini Mendes
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 23
Country: Brazil
Province/State: Distrito Federal
City: Brasília
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 5, 2005 - 11:58 AM
|
|
dear kerr;
that´s exactly how i feel... and it has been like that since my early teens, by that time in our lifes when we try to act/look/be older then our 12-13 years, that i kindda "hate" those girly things... have you looked to a teen magazine? it starts then, by saying that we can only be happy with the pop guy next to us... and even if "to get him" we have to act/be someone else ("ten steps to get that man of your dreams" , thats only a small price to pay. by showing that happy girls wear that peticular brand or whatever... it used to drive me crazy... goooosh, if i got a penny for every discussion i had then with my girl-friends over that...
but just the fact there are woman and men who find this concept absurd is something that makes me still have hope in human kind...
well... a happy international woman´s week to u all!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Gerald Derome
Joined: Oct 23, 2001
Posts: 114
Poster Rank:
Chatterbox
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 53
Country: Canada
Province/State: Ontario
City: Toronto
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 6, 2005 - 07:49 AM
|
|
Throughout the years i have never indulged myself into any particular magazine as per say. They to me, all of those magazines, were available to and written for both men and women.
I did not see myself or my sex as being signaled out by the advertising, layouts or contents. If one likes racing cars or the outdoors then it is those who buy the product. One may see or say that they are sexist in their formats or presentations but deep down inside they are truly written for everyone who is a consumer. Both men and women magazines advertise with a lot of skin showing. Both it seems, together, trying to shape not only our growing childrens bodies but peioples attitudes and behaviours.
The womans movement somehow may have gone too far in trying to ensure that every leaf caters to their needs specificly or this may only be "some" womens perceptions.
When one picks up any magazine, one must first pick it up with the notion or overbearing knowledge that it was written for everyone who has an interest on that particular subject.
If one picks up a magazine with a negative attitude then of course one would see what has been looking for!
Of course we also have the FourKills who in order to remain where they are try to not change things too quickly if at all!
There is a lot of unfairness and injustices on this planet and the media outlets ensure that they do not surface too quickly to make an impact on their bottom lines and methods of operations of those Men in power and in charge.
NEO
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Ben
Joined: Jan 31, 2005
Posts: 7
Poster Rank:
Soft-spoken
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 27
Country: Australia
Province/State: Victoria
City: Melbourne
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 6, 2005 - 09:26 AM
|
|
Its obvious petitioning the magazine buisness has not worked in the past, so the best thing to do to curb this behaviour is to simply ignore it (teh magazines). there are enough smart people out there to realise what a crock those magazines are - and as pety said she was once like that and i think she turned out fine, so having faith that the people who straight away do not realise what is going on someday will.
until then the only way those magazines will put a stop to the imagery potrayed is if they find there is more of a market in other areas. denyign teenagers the ability to read this mags will only push more to them.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Luke Lieberman
Joined: Feb 13, 2003
Posts: 156
Poster Rank:
Chatterbox
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 30
Country: United States
Province/State: California
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 7, 2005 - 02:16 AM
|
|
guys - you want to change the bussiness - then recognize it as a bussiness - supply and demand -
"how to lose 20 pounds" is on the shelves because stupid women buy it - period.
If women were buying something else then beleive me it would be on the selves.
Why do you tink so many crappy movies, or crappy music is produced - same reason.
the same reason "Star" magazine sells so well - because desperate housewives like to obsses ove the "exciting" romances of celebrities.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Chimezie Umeh
Joined: Oct 7, 2004
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Country: Nigeria
Province/State: Lagos
City: Lagos
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 7, 2005 - 02:31 AM
|
|
Like Luke said, I believe that the out cry against women is uncalled for as I still believe that what they are today is what they want to be. They can be whatever they want to be if they take it serious. Nobody can do it for them and it is not about writing or looking for who to blame in the society, but this change can only be achieved when they start DOING what they want to be. Write the books you want to read, make the dress you want to wear, play the roles you want to be, etc. Let all women stop looking for who to blame!!!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Pétala Calestini Mendes
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 23
Country: Brazil
Province/State: Distrito Federal
City: Brasília
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 8, 2005 - 02:36 AM
|
|
well i agree with u guys, but i think that what kerr tried to say was that things are too divided in genders... kindda like that idea of girls-pink, boys-blue thing. i see this aswell but think its fading away. also, what i think that shocked her was "(...)looking for the "Womens Studies" section for some Feminist history books I was looking for. The section consisted of two shelves. While books for male readers consisted of 20-40 sections(...)" more then anything else. anyway, it is there, but to me, it doesnt matter... i dont bother... yeah few people still think that men work and pay the bills while woman take care of the kids, but they belong to a minority. and yeah, the inegualties of sex exist, but to me, thats very estimulating! it makes me work harder to prove to anyone who asks that i´m capable of it all, and much more to come. the way i see it, that´s what makes a woman.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Kerr
Joined: Sep 29, 2003
Posts: 3
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 23
Country: Canada
Province/State: Ontario
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 8, 2005 - 10:59 AM
|
|
mezie22(...)I believe that the out cry against women is uncalled for as I still believe that what they are today is what they want to be. (...)
In this society women are not what they want to be, people can say that things have changed and in some ways they are right but in a lot of ways they are wrong.
How can women be what we want to be when men are not even what they want to be?
Society has made it so that men do "male-gender" things i.e "Dont you dear cry" and women do "female-gender" things i.e "Cry everyday twice a day it doesn't matter your a women all woman cry."
Marriage is a KEY example of how women are still not equal, yes some women have choosen not to take their husbands name, but have you seen or heard of any man taking their wifes name?
not_neo(..)The womans movement somehow may have gone too far in trying to ensure that every leaf caters to their needs specificly or this may only be "some" womens perceptions.(...)
"some" meaning whom?...
Being a feminist I do not think the movement has gone "to far," women want respect and the right to be treated equally. Which is not the case...yes there have been changes and progress made. But women are still masked, muzzled, mutilated, and beaten. Most women do not walk down the street alone at night while men don't think twice about it most of the time.
Males can say that teh "movement" has gone to far but thay are speaking from a male point of view. Males have not been segergated because of their gender, they have not felt like the weaker gender. Most males have only experienced being in powerful positions, or in dominant roles.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Pétala Calestini Mendes
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 23
Country: Brazil
Province/State: Distrito Federal
City: Brasília
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 9, 2005 - 10:16 AM
|
|
mezie22, maybe i expressed myself wrong. my observation on marriage is, as a resum, that, yeah, men do not get our name, but so what? on the actual "who´s the boss" fact, it varies a lot between couples and still works. i don´t defend or stand up against man changing for their wife´s name simply because i dont think it matters...
now... what we want? well... i dont ask for much, only respect... for my work and capacity... for the fact i have my own wishes and desires and want to be master of my own destiny... as a humang being, regardeless of gender...
so, by the end of the day, i don´t want to be equal to men... i just want to be heard and be taken in consideration. basicly, what i want, as a woman, is the same any human being wish for him/herself.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Chimezie Umeh
Joined: Oct 7, 2004
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Country: Nigeria
Province/State: Lagos
City: Lagos
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 9, 2005 - 10:33 AM
|
|
In the definition of equality of human beings, the roles of each person cannot and should not be neglected. Your observation, Pety, on taking a Man's name in marriage is obtrusive. Marriage can be compared like a Patnership in business. Even when partners may have contributed equal capital, there will still be a Managing Partner. It does not make any lesser, or deprive any of their fundamental rights.
We actually have to face the facts, what exactly do the women want? Are we even sure, they do not want to still be treated exactly as what they claim to be fighting. I have a colleague in the office who always claim equality with the guys, but will want to be allowed to use the lift first, or will not expect to be called to help bring down files from the shelf. So WHO IS FOOLING WHO??
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Pétala Calestini Mendes
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 23
Country: Brazil
Province/State: Distrito Federal
City: Brasília
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 9, 2005 - 12:44 PM
|
|
kerr... about the "movement" idea... i think thats a little bit... in the past... we dont burn our braws in protest anymore. we dont neet it! we protest on dayly tasks, in working, going to universities not to get a husband, but to get our future. to be masters of our own destiny is the way we protest now. so, maybe, the "too far" is to the fact that, on that model, yest, is far beyond what we need...
on the marriage area... well... yeah, man dont get their wife´s name... but u know that things are beggining to change on the maintenance of the house... the financial area i mean... woman are participating activelly on that! and in a few cases, the one who actually pays the bills is the woman... and i see cases of man who are not ashamed of saying that they are... the "housewifes"...
for those who are willing to fight for it, there are many choices... sometimes is harder then others. but as i sayd... thats what makes it fun for me!
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
H
Joined: Mar 14, 2005
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 18
Country: Canada
Province/State: Ontario
City: Toronto
|
Re: Woman Rights
March 28, 2005 - 08:56 AM
|
|
Don't anyone realize that it's not always the "stupid women" that buy these "lost 20 pounds" mag but the perverted males (both adult and teen)? No seriously I've seen some guys buying those magazines. Do you think they bought to know how to lose 20 pounds or to read the articles or to look at "the pictures"?
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
anpsmn
Joined: Mar 22, 2005
Posts: 3
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Male, 25
Country: India
Province/State: Maharashtra
City: Mumbai
|
Off track!
March 30, 2005 - 08:06 AM
|
|
Originally posted by HeroicHenry
Don't anyone realize that it's not always the "stupid women" that buy these "lost 20 pounds" mag but the perverted males (both adult and teen)? No seriously I've seen some guys buying those magazines. Do you think they bought to know how to lose 20 pounds or to read the articles or to look at "the pictures"?
hi there,
hey man, i think they were stressing the point that there is a divide among the men and women.They were not talking about the books.If men and women both buy those kind of books,why do they have a different section.
By the way, is there any books 4 gaining 20 pounds? (jst kidding).
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Crystarra
Joined: Apr 2, 2005
Posts:
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Country: United States
Province/State: Wisconsin
City: Milwaukee
|
Re: Woman Rights
April 2, 2005 - 04:14 AM
|
|
hi...I'm a newbie...All I can say is that I agree with the first post. I don't think that our society treats women equally. As was mentioned above, violence against women is still a huge issue. How many men have to be afraid of getting too drunk, passing out and waking up only to find out someone had sex with them while they were passed out?
there was a case just decided which upheld an employer's to decision to fire a woman because she refused to wear makeup. Women were required to have their hair "teased, curled or styled" wear foundation or concealor, powder/blush, eyeliner and mascara, lipstick and nailpolish. Men were required to make sure their hair was above their collar and have short, clean nails.
I don't think it's a case of we've gone too far, but not far enough.
and of course, you are always going to find examples of people taking something to an extreme. There are many feminists whose views and goals I consider extreme...but to use an extremist as a way of dismissing everyone else isn't going to help anything either.
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
Chilli Lokito
Joined: May 17, 2004
Posts: 1
Poster Rank:
Tongue-tied
User is
Offline
Gender & Age: Female, 22
Country: Australia
Province/State: Western Australia
City: Perth
|
egiletarian society
April 3, 2005 - 07:02 AM
|
|
equality never can be brought into reality, for some reasons. yes physical, outside looks are important factors that most women always are concerned about. I think media should be blamed.
Consider the 'flappers' in America during 1940s or even Australia around 1900s. Women were always the targets of Consumerism and Mass Media. Women were treated as important objects of consumerism instead of a worthy human beings. but this is true!!! we, women, were sooo consumed. we bought cosmetics, diet pills, and other random products from convincing advertisments.
boys do that too, just not in the same intense amount. LOL
i dunnow, maybe it would be too hard to change something that has been spreaded so intensively...esp with the NEEDS and WANTS to be consumed... But you know what? to make a change, it needs long period of time, esp when involving our society as a whole. But, overally, comparing to 1900s, our women are nowadays treated pretty fairly.  it's nothing to do with women rights. we are the ones that agree with the idea to be consumed. We love to consume, we love to use make ups, we love to lose weight.
oh i dunnow what im on about, but you get my point there ? hehehe
|
|
back to top |
link to this post
|
|
|
Display posts from:
|
Home
Community
