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Arul
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April 11, 2005 - 02:12 AM
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United States earned 9/11 for sure, but it doesn't mean others are good.
all others did bad got bad at end.
that is nature da!
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April 11, 2005 - 02:19 AM
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Luke bro, If you go through my postings and updates, you will find many cases where i am critisizing other government including my own government. See my last update few weeks back.
Secondly Ganesh, I dont think USA "earned" the 9/11 anymore than the Japanese "earned" the Hiroshima bomb, but i certainly feel its a failure of foriegn policy.
I have pointed out that in my other post :
"Today Americans are supporting Latin American murderers even after the cold war in many human rights abuses in South America. Look at the school of Americas! If tomorrow if they turn against America and cause destruction to American interests, can you just blame them for their evil, mad and racists acts ? Afterall, you too had been funding and helping them days back"
I rest my case,!
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Arul
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April 11, 2005 - 09:08 AM
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its now the fault of United States!
all powerful countries misuse power!
russia, india, british! all are equally bad!
why only blame United States ?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP PPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Luke Lieberman
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April 12, 2005 - 01:39 AM
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Actually it looks like there are efforts in congress to do just that right now.
"This month Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA) reintroduced legislation in the 109th Congress to suspend operations of the School of the Americas/ WHINSEC. HR 1217, "The Latin America Military Training Review Act of 2005," had 78 bi-partisan introductory co-sponsors"
http://www.soaw.org/new/
I would certainly support their review and suspension until such time as the program could be reformed.
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April 12, 2005 - 01:58 AM
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In India, the population of Muslims is above 14%, and out of 1 Billion, it makes 140 Million, its actually around 147 million.
In Indonesia, the population is 88% Muslim of 201 million and that counts to nearly 177 Million, well, you are right and I am wrong. I was speaking of earlier statistics 
And I get called as Kiran, not Kiranmayee
will get back later
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April 12, 2005 - 03:00 AM
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Hi All, I have a lot to write here but right now I do not have time for that, will get back to you all after Thursday.
Till then, I wish you all a very happy sinhalese and hindu new year!
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Udara
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April 12, 2005 - 06:51 AM
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Hey Udara and Luke,
now, regading this guy Ganesh, he is none other than the member Dalit, who hasbeen banned from the network during lastweek, for targetting a community. Its better to ignore him.
[This statement is false... neither Ganesh1 nor Dalit were banned from the network for any reason.]
TIG Moderator
And Luke,
Its true that there are problems Muslims are facing , even in India. But, then there are differences between different sects of Muslims in nations that are completely dominated by them.
FYI, do you know the country having largest number of Muslim Population? It is India. The differences do exist, at the same time, we do have a harmonious living.
In every society, there will be radical elements, elemnts that are bent on destroying the lives and relationships of others and it is these people who disguise and play a major role in creating havoc and terror among people.
And for all thats happening in the world, across different religions, on the name of religion, we need not attribute that every attack on people of particular religion was done by the opposite one.
Any one can disguise as a person belonging to the religion which they targetted for ruining the name and then create some terror.
Luke, we are not criticising the USA as a whole, its some of the policies followed by earlier people that is causing problem today. As super powers, USA and Russia played a major role after World War II, to have control over the nations of the world and this is the basis of Coldwar. To outwit each other, they depended on Technology and also depended on other nations. We all know about this, either from Internet or Newspaper or Journals or Memoirs, what ever may be the source. And I can say that every nation having a leader with an urge to play a role in international politics, played their part, including Britain, France, India.
In 1990's, with the downfall of communism, USSR has shattered and nothing much is left, atleast that is what is said. Personally, I doubt it. I have this feeling that they are still active in many activities. Again, with the change in Economic situation, there was change in the scenarios when it comes to France and Britain. What we know from media is less, and what happened behind the scenes is much more.
You quoted meeting an army person who spoke about the cold war regime. Did he ever tell you about the acts of US officials at that time? He might not have done that, cos, if he does that, it would not be he alone who would fall in trouble, but many others, many people from different nations would fall in line.
Greed is something that man has to overcome and still couldnot from times immemorial. And history proves again and again that its greed that made people wage wars, greed for money, greed for power, greed for fame/name.
And this is the basis for all that has happened till now, even the 9/11. If 9/11 has not happened, would we all have concentrated on this person called as Laden or his Modus Operandi?
Events happened 20 years back will certainly have a bearing on todays happenings. Germany was divided into two because of Worldwar II. Communism came into being with Russian Revolution. French Revolution caused the downfall of Louis and paved way for abolishing monarchy there.
Lets say French Revolution didnot happen? Lets say that Lenin didnot fight against the Czar's atrocities and work towards communism? We would have been in a different world, isnt it?
I will continue again, got to get back to work 
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April 12, 2005 - 09:10 AM
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sincere apologies for i do not seek to attack any community,
what i wrote on hindu-india is nil compared to hatred shown against Luke and United States by matic, ajaya ,erin nd DALIII. plz read back ;
for haseeb, udara,kiranmayeev and luke , u all argue logically *BUT*
how many of u know muslims were raped,gang raped, tortured, burnt by hindu extremists *ALIVE* in Gujrat and Kashmir (INDIA) ?
*http://www.dalitstan.org/thatsindia.gif*
*http://urdunet.com/gujarat/gujaratphotos.htm*
indian ipkf came to lanka slaughtered, raped, gang raped tamil speaking muslims and tamils.
this need to be highlighted in the *topic*
do not misunderstand ; i do not have problems with ordinary hindu-indians; but ppl who suppress others.
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April 12, 2005 - 11:15 AM
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>indian ipkf came to lanka slaughtered, raped, gang raped >tamil speaking muslims and tamils
Bro, How many times we have discussed this issue at office! listen up , IND LANKA accords were fair to all I feel.
I feel its initial mistake of India to train LTTE.
And its a blunder of LTTE to engage India. Which i feel the same militants are doing in Iraq!
See, I know your loved once killed by IPKF, but look how many innocent tamils today are being killed by the LTTE ? We need to move on. Look at the lessons the Tsunami taught us!!!!
At the same time, why dont we remember how hindu-india(according to your definition) helped tamil community in North East after the Tsunami ?
And Gujarat issue was a sad mark in India, same as of Sri Lanka in 1983. Same as race riots in United States.
But it was not the fault of Hindu's or Muslims but it was the human desires!
Kiran said it all
"And history proves again and again that its greed that made people wage wars, greed for money, greed for power, greed for fame/name. And this is the basis for all that has happened till now "
The reason I engaged in Luke is the fact that I want to make it a point to show that 9/11 is a fault of US foriegn policy, ofcourse greed yet again for power.
(My definition of US does not mean Americans but policy makers, i have made this clear)
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April 12, 2005 - 12:15 PM
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Actually Kiranmayeev the country with the greatest Muslim population is Indonesia with about 196 million and they are about 95% of the general population there.
India has about 133 million as does China - but in each of these countries this is only 14% and 11% of the population respectively.
Pakistan has 125 million which represents 97% of its population.
http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm
Regardless much of what you have said is well taken - never-the-less at this point I would say there is clearly an element of Muslim culture which is radical and spread throughout the Muslim world.
I think the radicaly elements are making trouble for the general Muslim population by bringing armies to their doorstep.
Would America have so much of its army in the middle-east if Bin Laden had not attacked?
Would Palestine be occupied if radical elements there were not attacking the Israelis for decades?
Would the Russian Army have destroyed Grozney?
At this point there are Radical Islamic elements enguaging the US, Russia, France, Spain, England, India, Israel, Africans such as the Sudan...
The list goes on.
And the tactics used by these extremists seems to be unique to Radical Islam - suicide bombing is not a tactic that is even used much by groups like the IRA in Ireland - because the Irish terrorist group are not religious fanatics.
I am not sure about the Tigers in Sri Lanka - Udara - are they fond of Car bombs and the Like?
I just think that there are reforms that normal rational muslims will have to put in place otherwise the radicals among them will continue to make trouble for them.
As for "Why" 9/11 happened - Udara, none of us will ever really know this unless we capture Bin Laden and have a psychologist talk to him.
Where we disagree Udara - is not that I don't think America made a mistake in the way it supported radical elements against the Russians 20 years ago -
But rather you overreach your claim by trying to derive a direct connection. You seem to assign far too much control to the US saying that they created the Taliban etc.
We are not Gods man - we do not have control over everything that happens in this world.
According to Bin Laden (on tape) his motivation was the fact the the US had some military bases in Saudi Arabia - which, I might point out, were built in the Gulf War with the permission of the Saudi government to protect them from a Saddam invasaion. But Bin Laden saw it a "Infidels in the Holy Land"
So we could say that this is the "reason"
We could say that the Russians created Radical Islam with the invasion of Afghanistan.
We could say the Palestinian militants revived Suicide bombing and the like and made it mainstream in their conflict with Israel.
We could rightly blame the educational facilities in Saudi Arabia and other places which teach children the violent and racist form of the religion - that anyone who is not of the religion is its enemy.
Most of the 9/11 Highjackers were from the Whahabbi schools in Saudi Arabia - they were not born and raised in Afghanistan.
We could blame religious leaders in the middle-east who have been the pawn of ruling muslims firing up the masses in religious hatred of the West simply to distract the people from their domestic misery.
This conclusion that 9/11 was caused by US policy and "other factors" is an interesting phrasing.
What you seem to be missing is that American foreign policy itself is only amongst the factors - and not the primary factor by a long shot.
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April 12, 2005 - 12:49 PM
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>I am not sure about the Tigers in Sri Lanka - Udara - are >they fond of Car bombs and the Like?
Worst than that!if you do some search over the net, you will understand what i mean. LTTE had performed the most suicide attacks than any other group. (Not sure whether the statictics are changed now)
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/shrilanka/database/suicide_killings.htm
This is the group who actually introduced the latest ways of suicide killing.
>Where we disagree Udara - is not that I don't think >America made a mistake in the way it supported radical >elements against the Russians 20 years ago -
>But rather you overreach your claim by trying to derive a >direct connection. You seem to assign far too much control >to the US saying that they created the Taliban etc.
See, US has its fair share in this, after all its due to the greed, as like Kiran had pointed out.
>We are not Gods man - we do not have control over >everything that happens in this world.
Atleast why can not they close down the school of americas right now, its producing terrorists even right now, this moment it self bro!
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April 13, 2005 - 09:14 AM
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bonjour monsieur,
Je le suis d'accord que paix avec musalman. C'est demande pour toute la monde autour hinduo.
Vandana Khanna
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