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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
April 7, 2006 - 07:01 AM
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I can tell u nowadays, LV, Prada & Giorgio Armani decide the Dress Code for many Chinese who love to follow
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
May 26, 2006 - 01:34 PM
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In Malaysia frankly we're highly tolerant when it comes to clothes for women. It can vary from bikinis to black-shrouds which expose nothing but the eyes. Imyself prefer baby T's with jeans or long sleeved shirts as they're comfortable for the weather here.
Anyways, when it comes to work, we have only one rule. Decent. Decent as in neither thrashy nor too religious (face and feet please lol). Preferably long sleeved and knee-length if cannot find longer garbs.
I'd say dress as you want to present yourself, I guess.
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
May 28, 2006 - 10:47 PM
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I agree with most of what has been said here, mainly that people should have the right to choose what to wear. What goes on our bodies is, in essence, a part of of us and who we are. With that said, though, I do think we need to look more closely at why people wear what they do. I, for one, buy what ever is on clearance and that fits! However, I think the issue that began this thread is when girls/women (and let's not forget the boys/men--they are culprits here, too) wear clothes which might be considered too revealing or sexy by some. If people are wearing these clothes solely because they like them, they're comfortable (although some things I've seen certainly could not be) and make them feel good then I don't have any problem with it. But, I think that too often people wear these revealing clothes, not because they themselves feel sexy, but quite opposite, that they lack a positive self-image. They are led to believe that creating this false image of media-driven sexiness will attract men/women and in that they find self-worth. People whose self-concept is based solely on physical appearance and not largely on their entire person, including their personality, intelligence, sense of humor, creativeness, etc., will ultimately lead a life of instability both with interpersonal relationships with self-acceptance.
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 1, 2006 - 06:00 PM
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talking about dressing in India is probably a never ending thing!
every place hasgot its own unique dressing style !
Well freedom to choose one's clothing is available only in certain parts of India. For example in Mumbai , women can generally wear whatever they feel like whether western /indian. But in other parts like in Malabar area in Kerala State , girls can wear only Indian attires . I had to perforce do my graduation there . and for three years i couldnt wear anything but Indian dresses because if i dared to wear jeans and get on a bus , I would have to hear all sort of Bullshit from the Male Chauvinist Pigs in there.
Even if iam covered from head to toe and the woman in sari next to me is not ...it doesnt matter to them...the only thing they are concerned with is that a girl should not be allowed to question their commands which is not to wear jeans !
Before going to Kerala i had stayed in the parts where western clothing was allowed so i was not use to Indian clothing . i never found them very comfortable.
But in kerala it was one of the things necessary for survival . one day i decided to wear it for the sake of challenging patriachy and i had the good fortune to beat a guy ( who was pestering me ) with my good ol' umbrella ( another essential thing in Kerala) . one good whack and he simply vanished into thin air! i guess they are not used to being opposed ! if only woman there find the guts to beat up those idiots ...Kerala can truly live up to its title of ' God's own country"
recently the new dress code announced by the Mumbai University Vice chancellor also created an uproar among the student community. the dress code wasnt actually the issue but blaming the girls for inviting rapists by their dressing was soemthing that simply couldnt go down our throats!
check the news report ;
http://www.hindu.com/mag/2005/07/31/stories/2005073100390400.htm
so now they are blaming women for their own sick minds!
havin a decent dress code is fine with everyone. but there is a way to impose that !
how can they blame women for things like this ?
This post was edited on: 2006-06-01 at 06:02 PM by: anuriandima84
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 4, 2006 - 10:53 PM
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rschack wrote:
I agree with most of what has been said here, mainly that people should have the right to choose what to wear. What goes on our bodies is, in essence, a part of of us and who we are. With that said, though, I do think we need to look more closely at why people wear what they do. I, for one, buy what ever is on clearance and that fits! However, I think the issue that began this thread is when girls/women (and let's not forget the boys/men--they are culprits here, too) wear clothes which might be considered too revealing or sexy by some. If people are wearing these clothes solely because they like them, they're comfortable (although some things I've seen certainly could not be) and make them feel good then I don't have any problem with it. But, I think that too often people wear these revealing clothes, not because they themselves feel sexy, but quite opposite, that they lack a positive self-image. They are led to believe that creating this false image of media-driven sexiness will attract men/women and in that they find self-worth. People whose self-concept is based solely on physical appearance and not largely on their entire person, including their personality, intelligence, sense of humor, creativeness, etc., will ultimately lead a life of instability both with interpersonal relationships with self-acceptance.
Nicely said. 
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 8, 2006 - 07:17 AM
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Women, for example, should know that putting on clothes which expose their bodies will arouse men's sexual appetite. This results in all immoral practices - rape, defilement, and domestic sexual violence. Do you know that a amn may rape his own wife or force her to sex before time due to her exposing of her private parts? What about the children who watch their mothers and sisters expose their bodies?
In my opinion, women should not think that by exposing their bodies, they are enjoying their freedom and being emancipated. No! This degrades their value and they are looked at as sexual objects. Remember, what one is willing to show, he/she is willing to give. This is the whole idea men get when they look at such women.
No exposure, no lust. No lust, no casual sex.
EXCUSE ME?
Now it's the women's fault she's been raped or molested? It's her fault that HIV/AIDS is spreading? Just because of what she wears?
I suppose women and girls who are raped/molested/killed while wearing traditional clothing or school uniforms asked for it too, eh? Babies asked for it too, eh? According to you two anyway.
How freakin' ignorant!
Why should a woman be held responsible for the man's lack of ability to control himself? Why should the burden of protection fall on the woman and not on the man? Why should the woman hold all the responsibility for HIV/AIDS - and not the man?
Women should not be limited in their dress code just because there are men out there that think that the women are just random property. If anything, the onus is on the man to control themselves and stop themselves from this ever happening in the first place!
Blaming a women's attire for rape, molestation, and HIV/AIDS is really missing the point entirely. Not to mention cruel, selfish, and dangerously ignorant.
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 11, 2006 - 03:26 PM
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Women, for example, should know that putting on clothes which expose their bodies will arouse men's sexual appetite. This results in all immoral practices - rape, defilement, and domestic sexual violence. Do you know that a amn may rape his own wife or force her to sex before time due to her exposing of her private parts? What about the children who watch their mothers and sisters expose their bodies?
In my opinion, women should not think that by exposing their bodies, they are enjoying their freedom and being emancipated. No! This degrades their value and they are looked at as sexual objects. Remember, what one is willing to show, he/she is willing to give. This is the whole idea men get when they look at such women.
OH MY GOD!
According to your statement ...all men are potential rapists ...
This is exactly the kind of talk which makes one wonder about the future of women's right on the planet ...
how ignorant !
Rape and other sexual crimes are the only crimes which deserve no impunity because the men in question cannot be called men ...they are 'BEASTS' ...as simple as that...
Men raised in a good environment with the right kind of education and openess will never resort to such bestialty .
a healthy environment and interaction between boys and girls and with a right kind of moral guidance from parents can avoid such things ...
and how simply the statements have absolved men of domestic violence by putting the blame squarely on indecent exposure by the wife ....i don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a statement
I do believe in observing some decency in attire but not because sombody is forcing me to ....i want to have the choice to dress the way i want ...
Blaming women neglects the whole question of conditioning of gender in a patriarchal world ....or why else men are free to walk half naked in my country everywhere on every occasion...and at some places women cannot even show there feet ???
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 12, 2006 - 02:02 PM
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I agree that to blame how a woman is treated based on what she wears is aboslutely, positively horrible, both to the woman (insinuating she deserves it) and the man (insinuating he can't control himself).
However, I do often wonder why women prefer short skirts and tight jeans. Many will say they have the freedom to wear what they want, I just can't help but think that in places like NorthAmerica, you don't have a choice. Fads go in and out because we all follow them. Many people who don't or can't afford them end up being marginalized; not necessarily bullied or anything like that, but marginalized all the same.
Is that freedom of expression?
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 14, 2006 - 10:16 AM
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women have the right to wear what they want. then again so do all people. In the place i'm from, (Canada) the canadians here wear pretty much what they feel like wearing =/ so do i.
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 20, 2006 - 12:37 PM
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Women in Canada and many other countries I think, face a lot of contradictary beliefs in terms of their own (sexual) objectification and dressing. To list a few:
- lack of a male gaze implies a woman is unattractive.
- presence of a male gaze implies a woman is slutty.
- women can gain power over men when men desire them physically/sexually.
- women risk being victims of sexual violence when men desire them physically/sexually.
- dressing provocatively means you are confident and comfortable your body.
- dressing provocatively means you are insecure and demeaning yourself, selling yourself.
Note that the flip side of all these assumptions construct the male gaze as primarily sexual and even predatory/threatening. Which as anuriandima84 has pointed out, is not true and a detrimental implicit belief for both men and women to hold.
It seems to me the concern about how women dress is not so much about clothing, but a displacement of a much larger issue of the social ambivalence, fear and objectification of female sexuality in general.
I'll also add as a side note that I never realized how palpable my own objectification was until I went to a gay bar. It literally felt like a weight lifted and I hadn't expected that. As for the straight male friend I took with me, he was very uncomfortable the whole night!!
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 20, 2006 - 12:42 PM
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I really like a lot of the points you raised esum. . . I never considered the contradictions beyond the double standards that often seem apperent.
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
June 20, 2006 - 04:33 PM
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esum wrote:
Women in Canada and many other countries I think, face a lot of contradictary beliefs in terms of their own (sexual) objectification and dressing. To list a few:
- lack of a male gaze implies a woman is unattractive.
- presence of a male gaze implies a woman is slutty.
- women can gain power over men when men desire them physically/sexually.
- women risk being victims of sexual violence when men desire them physically/sexually.
- dressing provocatively means you are confident and comfortable your body.
- dressing provocatively means you are insecure and demeaning yourself, selling yourself.
Note that the flip side of all these assumptions construct the male gaze as primarily sexual and even predatory/threatening. Which as anuriandima84 has pointed out, is not true and a detrimental implicit belief for both men and women to hold.
It seems to me the concern about how women dress is not so much about clothing, but a displacement of a much larger issue of the social ambivalence, fear and objectification of female sexuality in general.
I'll also add as a side note that I never realized how palpable my own objectification was until I went to a gay bar. It literally felt like a weight lifted and I hadn't expected that. As for the straight male friend I took with me, he was very uncomfortable the whole night!!
hey Esum ,
i really like the way you have put it across. All of us ,irrespective of our sex and gender, are most of the time caught between a rock and a hard place .
its really hard to think away from the conditioning we have already gone through.and even if we do ,stereotyping is the easiest thing to happen after some time....
Cheers
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
August 20, 2006 - 05:07 PM
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Good Discussion happening here.
The thing that intrgiues me most about clothing is, as was touched upon by other posts, how important it has become to "show" who we are, how much money we have or what "type of person we are, clothing can express how free out society is, but it can also trap up inside stereotypes.
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Clothing. Alright Fashion???? Dress Code???!!!??? IDENTITY!
September 8, 2006 - 01:21 PM
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JessG wrote:
What do people think about the way women dress these days??
In my culture (white, western, boring culture) women can were what they like..... !
Questionning freedon in terms of tastes of dresing and clothing may be too much of a stupid as it violates someone's freedom of choice...
Wearing or not wearing enough may not be the question.
Reavealing of hiding much is no longer a discussable matter in most " (white, western, boring cultures)"
But clothes are there to cover something. it may not be the flesh only. but someone's "honour" ohhhh .Did i say honour?
For some. yes it does. but what if i am feeling honoured while walking naked? who can question my choice?
As far as i am concerned, 2 points need to be impasised.
1- Clothing and dressing mean putting something on our bodies in the way we like, according to our own tasts.
But, do we really taste or are we just desired to look in a way the the ads want us to be?
2- Fashion. does it really include our needs - as for female winter clothes- and tasts or just benifit from our longing to look in a special way and spend more?. don't they just make us by our looks according to what they outline?
What about our identities and real choice?
Women are put in the center of it all, and are considered as buying machines, and free nudity models by some. thought in never reflect any general view as far as i am concerned
I personally don't stand for or against any kind of clothing, but i believe they are no longer clothes if Identity, real necessity and choice along with a very personal ethical stand are envolved.
And still no one has got the right to discuss whet peaole reveal or hide.
Love you all
This post was edited on: 2006-09-08 at 01:38 PM by: s-kane
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Re: Clothing, Fashion, Dress Code
September 9, 2006 - 04:04 PM
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The stereotyping ....
It begins with the nursery rhymes !!!
take a look;
What Are Little Girls Made Of?
What Are Little Boys Made Of?
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What are little girls made of, made of?
What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice, and everything nice,
That's what little girls are made of.
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What are little boys made of, made of?
What are little boys made of?
Snips and snails , and puppy dog tails,
That's what little boys are made of.
Curly Locks
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Curly locks , Curly locks,
Will you be mine?
You shall not wash dishes,
Nor feed the swine,
But sit on a cushion,
And sew a fine seam,
And feed upon strawberries,
Sugar , and cream.
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