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HIV, natural or man made?
December 27, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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call me a conspiracy theorist, but i do not believe HIV was brought to humans naturally, i think it was a disease that was man made and released on africa in a bid to desolate it further.
what do you think? is it natural, or man made?
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already proven and accepted
December 28, 2004 - 07:58 AM
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it has already been proven that HIV was a man made disease that was to be used for bioterrorism by the american gov't. it was tested on an africans and then somehow it moved to the developed world, this wasnt planned though and that's how the epidemic spread, i think that they have a cure too but they wont expose it cuz there is more money to be gained in treatment of the disease than in cureing it, they want ppl to learn to live with the disease, so u keep buying medicine to stay healthy than actually curing persons of it.
there's more money in treatment of disease, trust me
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HIV, natural or man made?
December 28, 2004 - 12:26 PM
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Well, there is a lot to convince you that HIV could be man made, just looking at the mere nature of disease tells you something.
The Question that needs to be asked is
Where did HIV really Come from?
When was the first case reported?
Is HIV a Biological Weapon???
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Re: HIV, natural or man made?
December 29, 2004 - 01:00 AM
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oh i agree with you fully. pharmaceutical companies are making billions off the treatment of HIV, and its seen as a capitalistic venture as opposed to a bid to save mankind. which is exactly why there are (relatively) cheap generic brands of medicine that work just as well as the expensive name brand medicines.
are there any good links proving the connection?
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already proven and accepted
December 29, 2004 - 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by sewotoy
it has already been proven that HIV was a man made disease that was to be used for bioterrorism by the american gov't.
I am sure you don't mind giving us some facts on this here daring statement.
As far as i know, there are plenty of conspiracy theories and this one seems to be just one of them.
Here is some reading on the origin of HIV, if you are interested.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
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here u go
December 29, 2004 - 09:28 AM
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here is what i got for u:
In the March/April 1996 issue of Well Being Journal, under the article titled "Magic and AIDS", it was revealed that Dr. Leonard Horowitz of Harvard University confirmed that the HIV virus "is a result of a biological warfare program, created by national cancer researchers under the auspices of a Federally funded Special Cancer Virus Program (SCVP). Horowitz's book, Emerging Viruses, provides powerful and provacative evidence that the spread of AIDS was a result of this program."
As an aside to this news item, there is sufficient evidence that the condition called "AIDS" is not so much a result of the HIV virus, which has been bred to be opportunistic, but is a result of immune failure due to environmental chemicals and other substances. It is interesting that the book Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS, by Brian Ellison and Peter Duesburg, has actually been banned by a Federal judge, presumably because it reveals the truth behind the whole scam involving the HIV virus, the AIDS epidemic and the industry that has grown around it. In fact, the book does this quite well, and it is the best piece of work on the subject out there. As it stands now on March 21, 1996, Bryan Ellison wants to continue to get the book out somehow. Ellison's telephone number is 714-266-2633 (California).
here is also another text below to get more info if u desire, i didnt want to sound all positive about what i said, it was just another theory as u put it but a very strong one nonetheless.
Natural Health and Longevity Resource Center
Emerging Viruses - AIDS & Ebola
by Dr. Leonard Horowitz
This is the first in-depth exploration into the origins of HIV and Ebola. Claims that these "emerging viruses" naturally evolved and then jumped species from ape to man seem grossly unfounded in light of the compelling evidence assembled in this extraordinary text. Alternatively, the possibility that these bizarre germs were laboratory creations, accidentally or intentionally transmitted via tainted hepatitis and smallpox vaccines in the U.S. and Africa - as numerous authorities have alleged - is investigated herein. This book reviews the numerous viral vaccine studies conducted simultaneously in New York City and Central West Africa by a narrow network of virologists working for major military-medical contractors under the auspices of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the World Health Organization (WHO). Included is Dr. Robert Gallo, the notorious discoverer of the AIDS virus. The text presents bizarre and horrifying facts about the biological weapons race of the 1960s and early 1970's when these researchers developed countless immune system ravaging viruses, and experimented with an assortment of antidote vaccines allegedly for "defense" and cancer prevention.
The iatrogenic and genocidal theories of AIDS are meticulously explored within the social and political context of this stormy period of American military science. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) activities and foreign policy initiatives in Central Africa in response to the alleged threats posed by communism, black nationalism, and Third World populations are examined. The important roles played by political leaders including National Security Advisor Dr. Henry Kissinger, Department of Health, Education and Welfare secretaries Frank Carlucci, Jr. and Joseph Califano, presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, and economic notables Nelson and Laurence Rockerfeller are considered. The text hauntingly dissects the potential motives and administrative mechanisms underlying the prevalent belief that HIV and Ebola may have been deliberately deployed, and that the AIDS epidemic may be accomplishing what was desired.
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evidence
December 31, 2004 - 02:18 AM
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Dear Delroy and all,
Thank you for providing the articles that you did, as i think it is necessary to understand all points of view. Having said that, I think that there is much more evidence supporting opposing views and I tend to be warry of the "AIDS is biological warfare" argument. I think at this stage this argument also doesnt do much good when considering that our energy could be put to better use by educating our peers, researching possible medical breakthroughs (both Western and Traditional), aiding those most desperately affected. It has been my experience that miseducating people about any aspect of the virus (how its transmitted, who becomes infected, "miracle" cures, or its origins)or causing them to fear the people who are trying to help them (doctors, nurses, educators, ect.) can be very dangerous and put people who may alredy be at risk at a much higher risk of contracting the disease.
Rather than constantly debating over where HIV/AIDS came from or what is the best/only method of prevention (A,B, or C) -- Abstinance, Be faithful, or Condom use -- we need to address the problems at hand in the most effective way. We need to give the proper attention to socio-economic situations, cultural differences, religious practices, current health, and gender issues. Too many people talk about what should be done and not enough people actually follow through with action.
I challenge everyone to educate themselves about all points of view - even if you dont agree. Chances are that if you do participate in any HIV/AIDS programs (educational or otherwise) you will encounter an opposing perspective. The best way to handles this is to try and work together and understand eachother - everyone needs to at least agree to work for a common cause.
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